Actually Ironic

Isn't it nice to correct Alanis? Don't you think?
HaricotVertsays...

(facetious) It can be interpreted that the ironic part of Morisette's "Ironic" was that none of the hypothetical situations actually outlined in the lyrics were ironic, which in turn means that the song was indeed ironic to begin with (albeit through meta-irony). Thus negating the need for an ironic parody, which in turn makes it ironic to point out the lack of irony in Morisette's "Ironic" since it is indeed ironic. (/facetious)

spoco2says...

In Morisette's own words

"For me the great debate on whether what I was saying in ‘Ironic’ was ironic wasn’t a traumatic debate. I’d always embraced the fact that every once in a while I’d be the malapropism queen. And when Glen and I were writing it, we definitely were not doggedly making sure that everything was technically ironic. It’s a testament to the fact that we didn’t think it was going to be put under the microscope by 30 million people. For me the sweetest moment came in New York when a woman came up to me in a record store and said, ‘So all those things in the “Ironic” aren’t ironic.’ And then she said, ‘And that’s the irony.’ I said, ‘Yup.’ To me it’s a real snapshot of a nineteen-year-old’s definition and version of how life worked at the time. All that ‘Ironic’ touches on spawned all my future inquiries into and current understandings of the mysteries of life."


Which basically means... "Um, so I hate the english language and really can't be f*cked using words correctly". In saying 'we definitely were not doggedly making sure that everything was technically ironic' she misses the point that NONE of them were. I mean, she does didn't have a friggen clue what the word meant. And you'd think that if you're going to write a whole song about the word you might actually at least spend a few minutes finding out if you understand its meaning... because she obviously didn't.

It really grates that song... really does, so this makes me happy.

Kruposays...

Love Haricot's analysis.. though what really bothers me here is the fall weather in the background. You really do need the Canadian winter to nail the original video's mood.

@spoco (there really needs to be a way to put my response BELOW the quote... is there?) - You should really hang out with more singer-songwriters to learn that... no wait, just stay away from them, to keep the peace.

>> ^spoco2:
In Morisette's own words

"For me the great debate on whether what I was saying in ‘Ironic’ was ironic wasn’t a traumatic debate. I’d always embraced the fact that every once in a while I’d be the malapropism queen. And when Glen and I were writing it, we definitely were not doggedly making sure that everything was technically ironic. It’s a testament to the fact that we didn’t think it was going to be put under the microscope by 30 million people. For me the sweetest moment came in New York when a woman came up to me in a record store and said, ‘So all those things in the “Ironic” aren’t ironic.’ And then she said, ‘And that’s the irony.’ I said, ‘Yup.’ To me it’s a real snapshot of a nineteen-year-old’s definition and version of how life worked at the time. All that ‘Ironic’ touches on spawned all my future inquiries into and current understandings of the mysteries of life."

Which basically means... "Um, so I hate the english language and really can't be f cked using words correctly". In saying 'we definitely were not doggedly making sure that everything was technically ironic' she misses the point that NONE of them were. I mean, she does didn't have a friggen clue what the word meant. And you'd think that if you're going to write a whole song about the word you might actually at least spend a few minutes finding out if you understand its meaning... because she obviously didn't. It really grates that song... really does, so this makes me happy.

lucky760says...

*LMFAHS *QUALITY *LMFAHS

"
- An old man turned 98. He won the lottery and died the next day of a shock-induced heart attack.
- It's a black fly in your Chardonnay going to celebrate your apartment fumigation.
- It's a death row pardon 2 minutes too late because the Governor was busy watching Dead Man Walking.
- It's like rain at a dehydration victim's funeral.
- It's a free ride to your bankruptcy trial.
- It's good advice to never listen to me.
- ...as his plane crashed down he thought "Now I'll never make it to that Fear of Flying seminar."
- It's like rain flooding an umbrella factory.
- It's a free ride to an over-priced car dealership.
- It's the good advice from the guy who just got you fired.
- Traffic jam when you're already late to receive an award for reducing automobile congestion.
- A "No Smoking" sign on your cigarette break at the RJ Reynolds tobacco company.
- It's like 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife from a soup kitchen.
- It's like meeting the man of my dreams and then meeting his beautiful wife who's also my relationship therapist.
- It's like rain on your wedding day to the Egyptian sun god Ra.
- It's a free ride when you've already paid for a stolen car.
- It's good advice someone advised you not to take.
- I have a funny way of defining rhetorical devices that I use in songs.
- I have a funny way of getting things wrong.
"

Wingoguysays...

Does ANYBODY actually look up what this damn word means!? I guess College Humor didn't have time to either...

It's actually pretty simple; an example of irony is watching someone miss a basket and saying, "That was a great shot," i.e. saying the opposite of an implied meaning.
I don't know what the hell word describes the convoluted scenarios playing out in this video.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony

direpicklesays...

>> ^Wingoguy:
Does ANYBODY actually look up what this damn word means!? I guess College Humor didn't have time to either...
It's actually pretty simple; an example of irony is watching someone miss a basket and saying, "That was a great shot," i.e. saying the opposite of an implied meaning.
I don't know what the hell word describes the convoluted scenarios playing out in this video.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony


Situational Irony.

budzossays...

Sarcasm is but one form of irony. The coolest form.

That was sarcasm.

This chick is smoking hot. I dated a girl who looked exactly like her about 10 years ago. She definitely needs a tickle in that green turtleneck. She's all squirmy.

Wingoguysays...

>> ^direpickle:
>> ^Wingoguy:
Does ANYBODY actually look up what this damn word means!? I guess College Humor didn't have time to either...
It's actually pretty simple; an example of irony is watching someone miss a basket and saying, "That was a great shot," i.e. saying the opposite of an implied meaning.
I don't know what the hell word describes the convoluted scenarios playing out in this video.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony

Situational Irony.


So, "an outcome that turns out to be very different from what was expected"...

When the plane crashed down, he thought "isn't this nice" is probably the only example of actual irony in the original song, and they've replaced it here with "Now I'll never make it to that Fear of Flying seminar" which fits neither definition.

An old man turned 98. He won the lottery and died the next day of a shock-induced heart attack. - exactly what you would expect
It's a free ride to an over-priced car dealership. - exactly what you would expect

The rest are convoluted or don't make sense at all.

Lopey85says...

My fall back example:

Man in the woods eats berries to avoid starvation, berries make him so sick that he can't eat and he starves to death. Like in that movie who's name I can not remember.

GuruGuru214says...

>> ^lucky760:
- It's like 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife from a soup kitchen.


It's "to rob a soup kitchen".

>> ^spoco2:
oh, and it doesn't hurt that the woman in this is very attractive.


Yes. Yes she is. Fun fact: she's also the current voice of Ash on Pokemon.

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