police shooting of mentally disabled man

looks like execution by firing squad. apparently, the man had a knife.
from youtube:

Police officers in Saginaw, MI fired more than 45 shots at Jewel Hall's son Milton. Despite abundant evidence that officers showed a reckless disregard for Milton's life, the U.S. Justice Department did not charge any of the officers responsible for the killing. Learn more at http://www.aclumich.org/MiltonHall

In Washington D.C., the ACLU of Michigan is playing Jewel Hall's testimony at a hearing before the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights on “Reports of Racism in the Justice System of the United States.” Learn more at http://www.aclumich.org/MiltonHall
newtboysays...

Yep. Assassination is what I call that. There's absolutely no way any SANE person can excuse that, the police had every opportunity to safely use non lethal force, but chose to use only lethal force, enough lethal force to kill about 75 people from what I heard, maybe more than that.
This was 2012. Any word on what's happened since then? Was this Albuquerque? (I'm guessing based on his football uniform, and the fact that they have a history of killing the mentally ill)

ChaosEnginejokingly says...

That's not fair! There were only 7 or 8 police officers. There's no way they could have used a taser or pepper spray or even wrestled him to the ground.

newtboysaid:

There's absolutely no way any SANE person can excuse that, the police had every opportunity to safely use non lethal force, but chose to use only lethal force

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EMPIREsays...

WTF?!? This is one of the most obvious cases of police brutality and just down right murder. I love how cops somehow never seem to know how or WHEN to use tasers. How much of an idiot do you have to be?

articiansays...

I've mentioned this before in other threads, but, a lot of cops look forward to these scenarios where they can kill someone and get away with it. A significant number of people join the police because it gives them the license for abuse.

EMPIREsaid:

WTF?!? This is one of the most obvious cases of police brutality and just down right murder. I love how cops somehow never seem to know how or WHEN to use tasers. How much of an idiot do you have to be?

SDGundamXsays...

It's hard to say from the angle of the video, but it looked like he was going to walk away, then a cop called out something and he moved back towards the officers. At that moment someone opens fire. You only hear like one or two shots and then suddenly all the police are firing.

Just based on this video, I would guess that the shooting was ruled as justified because he walked towards the officers (although it's unclear if that was because the officers ordered him to do so). My guess is everyone is tense, and when the first shot is fired everyone kind of just piles on and opens fire too.

It's a tough situation. It really looked to me like the cops were trying to de-escalate before things got out of hand. They called the dog back and some of them lowered their weapons and moved out of a firing stance. I think it was the fact that the guy moved erratically (suddenly stepping back two or three steps like he was going to leave and then suddenly moving back towards the cops a couple of steps) that caused them to open fire.

Dunno, this doesn't look like an open and shut abuse case to me. He had a knife, he wasn't acting in a rational manner, and he moved towards the cops. Legally, they were within their rights to shoot (if I'm perceiving the situation correctly).

Now, should they all have just backed off? I dunno. If they back up too far he could make a run for it and possibly reach an innocent bystander before they could catch up.

Should they use a taser? Again, I dunno. The range on those things isn't great, meaning someone would have had to get close to the knife-wielding dude. And if you don't get a precise hit, then knife-wielding dude is not only in range to counter-attack, but is probably royally pissed as well.

Tough situation. I feel for the family. It's unfortunate it went down like it did. I don't see how the cops could have won here. Sending the dog in to take him down seems inhumane to both him and the dog. Trying to down him with rubber bullets or beanbag shotgun rounds could have severely injured and killed him and probably weren't available to the officers anyway.

Damn shame.

(Also, amazed this video hasn't sparked a snuff debate in discussions yet. This isn't a news video of the event, it's the raw footage of a man being gunned down. I'll leave it to others to decide if that's against Sift guidelines or not).

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