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Scary stuff.

Tags for this video have been changed from 'thought crime, free speach' to 'thought crime, free speech' - edited by kronosposeidon

this really is scary. beans and rice have fed plenty o' revolutions. Viva la tortillas!!!

I think it's pretty obvious from reading this bill that the meaning of force that they are referring to is not what this guy is saying. Force or violence means that the use of force may not necessarily be violent, but may be a type of coercion. That's how I see it.

Ron Paul for president people!! Tell someone you know everyday about Ron Paul. This country is going to hell in a hand basket.

Video is great, 60Hz hum is unbearable.

Ok JAPR, "“(4) Ideologically based violence.—

“The term ‘ideologically based violence’ means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual’s political, religious, or social beliefs."

What the fuck do you suppose this means, as opposed to what you think it may mean.

ask yourself the reasons for the need for an act like this....is it cause the radical Muslims are gonna get us? OR, the government is afraid of a civil uprising that could mean a house-cleaning to root out both the Democrats and Republicans in Congress who want to see this bill law or others out there who want to re-instill democratic principles originally defined by some serious politicians and statesmen, like the founders were.

I might want to encourage folks to stop paying their income taxes, and actually get a few to do it, would you call me a criminal, or would you call a system put in place to cover war costs in the 40's, and never suspended, criminal?

The real fuck all, is who gives a damn anyhow, we're to busy wage slaving to give a fuck anyhow.....

Please take a look at this video. It has to do with the governments ability to confiscate guns from most Americans.
http://www.videosift.com/video/The-law-which-takes-away-guns-from-all-Americans

There goes the First Amendment to the bill of rights.

“The term ‘ideologically based violence’ means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual’s political, religious, or social beliefs."


cool, does this mean that it's now illegal for the US Govt to be in Iraq, using violence to promote political and social beliefs? or that the religious evangelists have to stop preaching in the military?

>> JAPR:
I think it's pretty obvious from reading this bill that the meaning of force that they are referring to is not what this guy is saying. Force or violence means that the use of force may not necessarily be violent, but may be a type of coercion. That's how I see it.

However it doesn't necessarily matter what their intent was because the law will be interpreted by judges based on the words that are written. The door should not be open for them to make the interpretations highlighted in the video. The whole proposal should be thrown out, IMO, but at the very least the language needs to be tightened up.

>> sometimes:
cool, does this mean that it's now illegal for the US Govt to be in Iraq, using violence to promote political and social beliefs?

It has been since the start.

Earlier I saw what seemed to be a senate hearing. The speaker was showing "terrorist" web sites (the ones that are how to sites). They also showed a site having to do with 911 truth/engineers. It seemed to me this was about the internet= threat to the U.S., and possibly government control due to threat.
I was talking to someone at the time thus my poor recollection. Ill have to go look for it.

The only way to stop it from becoming a worldwide police state, is simple.
Flex your $$$. Use it for necessity, not for desire. Stop feeding the machine with your dollars.

Yes! This doesn't seem to be widely known - mindless consumerism is propping up the whole economic (and therefore political) house of cards.

Listen to interviews with economists or market pundits and you'll very often hear: "thankfully people are still making new purchases and keeping the economy rolling" or words to that effect.

Government has a Morbid Fear that "Consumers" will stop Consuming, ie that people will cut back, even a little bit, on their furious acquisition of frivolous doodads and bling.

I'm guessing that if even a tiny % of the population would go on a "leisure spending" strike for 6 months the economy would falter.

and this, memorare, is the real rub....monkeys are taught tricks, and perform in a predictable fashion-groomed to spend unnecessarily, the meatbots in the U.S. continue even in the face of such destruction and insanity.....now the floodgates of a nation even more spurious, emotionally and economically bereft, who have a televised window broadcast to them from El Norte, and told by their family members here illegally, that all the wonderful stories are true....The U.S. is systematically being reduced to her basest and fundamentally fucked level: The third world, is the New First World Order-soon, Mexico, indistinguishable from the U.S. in demographics and spending, their currency on equal footing, will welcome Canada with open arms....but the Mexicans will probably stay out of yer neck of the woods,(they like warmer climes) except to drive trucks of plastic Chinese shit up to yer soon to be pissed on country.Boycott the economic model, kill the elite who are fucking the planet, and the new capitol of the U.S. can have their bronzed heads mounted on glorious pitons on the Capitol lawn, a reminder to a world that almost shopped, warred, and unconciously fist-fucked herself into comfortable oblivion-

For further reading on how fear and terror are used to manipulate the masses and intimidate citizens out of their rights, seek out The Origins of Totalitarianism by Hannah Arendt.

Scary yes, but not the truth.

I voted for this before reading the actual bill. While I find the whole concept of the bill to be reminiscent of the "Red Scare", it does not outlaw any speech or make anyone a criminal that uses speech to advance a political or ideological agenda. Reading the entire bill (not just the parts pointed to here) reveals that the bill's purpose and limitation is to create a commission to study "Home Grown Terrorism" and the methods for mitigating such.

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I've tried telling people about this, and they just roll their eyes and say "yeah right". I really don't know what else you can do to fight it.

Using justification of 9/11 from 7 years ago has allows the US Govt to "clean house" of everything in the constitution that has made life hard for them to rule as a dictator ship.

This bill closes the door on all those things that have annoyed them, mass protests and rallys, the anti-war movements, the protests against police beating the crap out of people, fighting to win equality, fighting for women to get the vote.

They'll never have to worry about the people forcing the govt to do anything ever again. They wont even need the courts or trials. They can just lock all protesters up as illegal combatants and throw away the key.

When GWB declares emergency powers before the election and takes control, and the people eventually demand he resume elections - well he'll say those people are attacking the govt in a time of need and lock them all up.

It's a bit of a *long video tho.

Invocations (long) cannot be called by Raverman because Raverman is not privileged - sorry.

Thats exactly the kinda attitude i'm talking about siftbot!

"help! help! i'm being oppressed!"

haha he spelled intellectual wrong

I guess they threw him in prison or threatened... as he has removed the video.

That would make it *dead unfortunately.

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