pat condell,organized religion,evil,control,theocracy The Arrogance of Clergy (Awesome rant)
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This is completely my view on religion.
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As an atheist, I think that their "help" does more harm than good in most instances, but I believe that in many if not most cases they have good intentions. When I was growing up and gradually becoming more aware that I didn't believe the message that was being pushed to me (my family went to a Methodist church), I actually maintained some level of respect for the ministers at the church. The congregation, on the other hand, seemed to frequently ignore the positive aspects of the message (things like the golden rule that can be taught outside of the scope of any organized religion) while clinging to pointless dogma.
*edited for clarity
The difficulty with his positions in this video is that he is blind to the limitations of his understanding of religion...probably b/c of his thoroughly modern mindset. Modernism and the rise of the individual has told us that beliefs are the core of religion and, therefore, are best seen as private or personal. And then, of course, any foray of religion into the public arena (however he would define it) is seen as overstepping its righful bounds and encroaching on others.
Both pre and post-modern understandings show us how limited this view is, and he would do well to do some more readings from centuries other than the 1900's. Religion and faith are best understood as rooted in practices and practices are always public. The real truth here is he has his own religion...and it is classic liberalism and it's patron saint...the Cartesian I.
The reality is that relilgion is an outdated mechanism, which should have been rooted out long ago.
And, is that a scientifically verifiable fact? Or is it an opinion which is not provable, but should be believed nonetheless...like, oh, faith?
>> ^gwiz665:
The reality is that relilgion is an outdated mechanism, which should have been rooted out long ago.
And, is that a scientifically verifiable fact? Or is it an opinion which is not provable, but should be believed nonetheless...like, oh, faith?
Since when is faith an opinion?
Weak sauce.
PS I love this guy. But not in a gay kind of way.
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>> ^gwiz665:
The reality is that relilgion is an outdated mechanism, which should have been rooted out long ago.
And, is that a scientifically verifiable fact? Or is it an opinion which is not provable, but should be believed nonetheless...like, oh, faith?
Apologies for not replying to this sooner. I didn't see it.
My "opinion" is readily observable - what positive effect does religion have on society now? Comfort, community and..? There are better ways of being comforted, better ways of being in a community and better ways to get to know the world. Faith is something that can be practiced in private, sure, it is also the root of organized religion, which is nothing but a mechanism to keep weak men in power over strong, stupid men.
Yes, sometimes, every religion (including Islam) does something right, decent, noble, and good for Mankind. It also does something that is evil, hated, destructive, and horrible for Mankind. The wisdom, is to, strive towards the good, and keep the evil from seeping in.
Hey look guys, its one religious guy, bashing another religious guy. That sums up what this guy talks about. Yes, being an atheist, is STILL, someone with religious beliefs.
You couldn't be more wrong. Religion requires faith, which goes far beyond simple belief in God. Faith is an intimate relationship with God. Just believing in Jesus hardly makes you a Christian if your belief doesn't impact your life in any way.
Athiesm, by definition, is a lack of belief in God. The fact that I don't believe in God is hardly the same as I have faith that there is no God.
Saying athiesm is equivalent to religion shows an incredible amount of ignorance.
Now, if my religion was Taoism, would I have faith? Ir I was buddist? Or that I worshipped the spirits of the land? Each region of the world, each language, and each religion, may have a word, phrase, or concept that is equal to or closely like, the defination of 'faith'.
No, my original point is, this guy feels its 'ok' to bash someone else's beliefs and not be held accountable to them. Religious wars started for lesser things a few hundred years ago.