Something's Rotten In Iowa-Sanders Won Coin Toss

It's been widely reported that there were 6 coin flips in the Iowa caucus, all 6 going to Clinton. This video of one coin toss going to Sanders is now circulating. So far, there's no explanation that makes it clear what happened, but it certainly is appearing that reports of Clinton winning every coin toss were incorrect, which could mean the reported results of the caucus are incorrect. Does this mean Sanders won in Iowa? I hope so, because it's incontrovertible that he received more votes and won more precincts by vote, reportedly only losing by pure bad luck at coin tossing...which now appears to be untrue.

Even worse, the final results show that Sanders won Johnson county by 59.5%Sanders-40% Clinton, so why was there a coin toss at all? http://graphics.latimes.com/election-2016-iowa-results/
*discuss*
siftbotsays...

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newtboysays...

Those thieving mother fuckers! Are the democrats trying to throw the election?
It's looking fairly certain that Trump will be the Republican candidate. Sanders does FAR better in polls against him than Hillary who polls as a statistical tie with Trump, yet the 'party' is still staunchly behind Clinton and against Sanders. Even when Sanders wins, they make him lose, either by 'coin toss' or by rule vagaries that make the actual vote not matter. It's become INSANE that they are still trying to force Clinton down our throats and ignoring Sanders' popularity.
It's like they would rather lose than have a candidate that they don't have full control over....and that leaves us with Trump as president.
WTF is going on in my country?!?

shangsays...

People forget, Hillary scammed tons of money with the Whitewater scandal for decades until it was leaked in 1992, but they protected Hillary by everyone else in the partnership taking the heat but her, then very quickly almost without media catching it Bill Clinton as lame duck end of term pardoned everyone involved in Whitewater, in 1994 Hillary was stealing money "again", her law firm partner "fell on his sword" accepting the blame keeping Hillary safe, 1996 democrat fundraising head "fell on his sword" receiving 17 count indictment for money again.

there's ton of stuff even back to her youth with money scams and always wiggling out of it.


“In 1997, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, along with several other groups, filed a lawsuit against Hillary Clinton and Donna Shalala over closed-door meetings related to the health care plan. The AAPS sued to gain access to the list of members of the task force. Judge Royce C. Lamberth found in favor of the plaintiffs and awarded $285,864 to the AAPS for legal costs; Lamberth also harshly criticized the unethical tactics especially as she was a partner in a lawfirm, at least before it was shut down due to her partner "falling on his sword for theft and scamming clients".


“In the weeks before the inauguration, he [Vince Foster] had worked intensively with another Arkansas lawyer to expunge Bill and Hillary’s financial records of a shady land deal – a scandal later known as the Whitewater affair… One of his [Vince Foster’s] first jobs in the White House was to try to make sense of the Clintons’ false tax returns concerning the Whitewater land investment. A note in his hand-writing, found much later, warned that Whitewater was “a can of worms you shouldn’t open.”

Vince Foster was assassinated 1993.

Jinxsays...

Wow. I'm no huge fan of Hilary, but I gotta think she'd do better than tie against Trump. Surely most Bernie voters would come out for Hilary if the alternative was Trump? If she can only go 50/50 with Trump then honestly you don't a coin toss to know America is already fucked.

newtboysaid:

Those thieving mother fuckers! Are the democrats trying to throw the election?
It's looking fairly certain that Trump will be the Republican candidate. Sanders does FAR better in polls against him than Hillary who polls as a statistical tie with Trump, yet the 'party' is still staunchly behind Clinton and against Sanders. Even when Sanders wins, they make him lose, either by 'coin toss' or by rule vagaries that make the actual vote not matter. It's become INSANE that they are still trying to force Clinton down our throats and ignoring Sanders' popularity.
It's like they would rather lose than have a candidate that they don't have full control over....and that leaves us with Trump as president.
WTF is going on in my country?!?

Januarisays...

Yes... pretty much exactly this.

As long as its an establishment candidate it makes very little difference which party.

My prediction is that we'll start seeing GOP candidates drop out until there is one establishment guy left, probably Jeb or Rubio, whichever it is i suspect will end up being the nominee.

If that happens i have no doubt that the DNC would rather an establishment Republican than Bernie Sanders.

newtboysaid:

It's like they would rather lose than have a candidate that they don't have full control over....

newtboysays...

You would think she would do better, but she doesn't.
Republicans hate her with a passion, and independents are not liking what they're seeing from her, or what they've seen in the past, and simply don't trust her.
You're right, Bernie people won't be coming out to vote for Trump, but most of them also won't be coming out to vote for Clinton. Only those so terrified of a Trump presidency that they're willing to vote for the lesser of two evils will be doing that, and no one WANTS to vote that way, meaning many will stay home (or write in Sanders).
Yes. We're totally fucked. The insane have taken control of the asylum. I hope we can wrestle it back, the time is now, and the future is dark and uncertain.

Jinxsaid:

Wow. I'm no huge fan of Hilary, but I gotta think she'd do better than tie against Trump. Surely most Bernie voters would come out for Hilary if the alternative was Trump? If she can only go 50/50 with Trump then honestly you don't a coin toss to know America is already fucked.

newtboysays...

The veracity of your claims is far less important (so I won't go into it at all) than the fact that SO many people believe it's true, and those people will work hard to keep her from being their president.
The right wing is far more likely to come out to vote out of spite than the left, meaning in a Hillary/Donald election, Trump likely wins. They don't particularly like, or agree with Bernie, but he doesn't light their fire like Clinton.

shangsaid:

People forget, Hillary scammed tons of money with the Whitewater scandal for decades until it was leaked in 1992, but they protected Hillary by everyone else in the partnership taking the heat but her, then very quickly almost without media catching it Bill Clinton as lame duck end of term pardoned everyone involved in Whitewater, in 1994 Hillary was stealing money "again", her law firm partner "fell on his sword" accepting the blame keeping Hillary safe, 1996 democrat fundraising head "fell on his sword" receiving 17 count indictment for money again.

there's ton of stuff even back to her youth with money scams and always wiggling out of it.


“In 1997, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, along with several other groups, filed a lawsuit against Hillary Clinton and Donna Shalala over closed-door meetings related to the health care plan. The AAPS sued to gain access to the list of members of the task force. Judge Royce C. Lamberth found in favor of the plaintiffs and awarded $285,864 to the AAPS for legal costs; Lamberth also harshly criticized the unethical tactics especially as she was a partner in a lawfirm, at least before it was shut down due to her partner "falling on his sword for theft and scamming clients".


“In the weeks before the inauguration, he [Vince Foster] had worked intensively with another Arkansas lawyer to expunge Bill and Hillary’s financial records of a shady land deal – a scandal later known as the Whitewater affair… One of his [Vince Foster’s] first jobs in the White House was to try to make sense of the Clintons’ false tax returns concerning the Whitewater land investment. A note in his hand-writing, found much later, warned that Whitewater was “a can of worms you shouldn’t open.”

Vince Foster was assassinated 1993.

gorillamansays...

From what I've seen in the perfectly statistically representative grouping of posters in whatever internet fora I visit: there are a large number of Sanders supporters who, quite properly in my view, despise Hillary Clinton.

Jinxsaid:

Wow. I'm no huge fan of Hilary, but I gotta think she'd do better than tie against Trump. Surely most Bernie voters would come out for Hilary if the alternative was Trump? If she can only go 50/50 with Trump then honestly you don't a coin toss to know America is already fucked.

nocksays...

She gets more delegates because most of the superdelegates had already said they would vote for her before the primary even happened. This is the game that is primary season in the US. She is actually very smart since the popular vote means nothing, it all comes down to how many delegates a candidate has at the convention. While Bernie has been railing against Wall St., Clinton has been quietly getting superdelegates to promise to vote for her. There are 2436 total delegates at the DNC of which 714 are "superdelegates". In September, Clinton already had the votes of over 400 superdelegates. Check out http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2015/Pres/Phone/Sep02.html for more on how this process works.

newtboysays...

This is just one more problem with the overly complicated, non standardized, barely democratic election process we have today.

nocksaid:

She gets more delegates because most of the superdelegates had already said they would vote for her before the primary even happened. This is the game that is primary season in the US. She is actually very smart since the popular vote means nothing, it all comes down to how many delegates a candidate has at the convention. While Bernie has been railing against Wall St., Clinton has been quietly getting superdelegates to promise to vote for her. There are 2436 total delegates at the DNC of which 714 are "superdelegates". In September, Clinton already had the votes of over 400 superdelegates. Check out http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2015/Pres/Phone/Sep02.html for more on how this process works.

nocksays...

Well, that might be because the United States isn't a democracy. It's a republic. This is how a republic works.

newtboysaid:

This is just one more problem with the overly complicated, non standardized, barely democratic election process we have today.

newtboysays...

Nope....and to a small degree, yep.
Actually, we are a constitutional representative democracy or constitutional democratic republic (they mean the same thing)....

If you want the most technical term, our country is a constitutionally limited representative democratic republic.
In our form of government, the constitution limits the power of government. We elect representatives, so it's not a pure democracy. But we do elect them by majority rule so it is democratic.
To be sure, in addition to being a representative democracy, the United States is also a constitutional democracy, in which courts restrain in some measure the democratic will. And the United States is therefore also a constitutional republic. Indeed, the United States might be labeled a constitutional federal representative democracy.
But there is no basis for saying that the United States is somehow “not a democracy, but a republic.” “Democracy” and “republic” aren’t just words that a speaker can arbitrarily define to mean something (e.g., defining democracy as “a form of government in which all laws are made directly by the people”). They are terms that have been given meaning by English speakers more broadly. And both today and in the Framing era, “democracy” has been generally understood to include representative democracy as well as direct democracy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/13/is-the-united-states-of-america-a-republic-or-a-democracy/

nocksaid:

Nope. We are a constitutional republic.

slickheadsays...

This has been debunked. The lie is that there were only six coin tosses. There were more than six coin tosses in the Iowa primaries. Bernie won a believable amount.

Another lie I see repeated often is that Hillary already has the votes of the super delegates, The superdelegates have pledged support for HRC but will vote for Bernie if he brings in enough support. The thing to remember is that the establishment wants people to believe the narrative that Hillary has this in the bag.

Oh...and....Feel the Bern!!!

eric3579said:

So even though Bernie won by a landslide in the New Hampshires popular vote, he actually lost the state in delegates.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/10/hillary-earns-more-new-hampshire-delegates-than-sanders-after-loss/

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Lawdeedawsays...

I will never vote Hillary, and can tell you that many won't. She is identical to Trump except the D in her party title.

Jinxsaid:

Wow. I'm no huge fan of Hilary, but I gotta think she'd do better than tie against Trump. Surely most Bernie voters would come out for Hilary if the alternative was Trump? If she can only go 50/50 with Trump then honestly you don't a coin toss to know America is already fucked.

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