Man, the Libertarian party houses some of the wingy-est wingnuts in the country. Those people will believe anything!

The scamulus won't work.

I wouldn't put anything past a Kenyan-born neo-marxist who hires tax cheats for top financial posts and tosses in a Clinton for good measure.

And the scamulus won't work.

I love how people twist shit to mean whatever the hell they want it to mean.

Way to completely misinterpret Ron Paul's words.

He is saying these "FEMA Concentration Camps" probably are NOT in the works and do NOT exist. But he says, and it's true, that FEMA already has a lot of power, and if they wanted to, they could do some horrible things. He never "pushed" anything. Christ, let's overreact some more. Sometimes I think Dr. Paul is the only sane one in this country.

Also, let it be known that the FEMA thing is only mentioned rather briefly in the first minute or so of this video and is not the main focus.

Glen Beck pushing "research?" That sounds like some liberal scam in which scientists sit around and watch fruit flies, volcanoes, and bees... all at the same time if they got their way!

The title is misleading. Ron Paul wasn't pushing any idea about concentration camps. He even said that there is no evidence for them existing. Glenn Beck is the one speaking about them as if he believes that they exist.

Glenn Beck seems to think that if an abuse of power can happen then it automatically will happen (or is currently happening). Ron Paul just wants to ensure that the government doesn't have the power to be abusive, whether that power is actually used or not.

Upvote for the conversation, downvote for the title.

Here's Ron Paul's words:

"I don't think all the answers are in"

"I think there's justified concern"



So, he supports the idea that maybe something is there, and he appears on Beck's TV show to talk about this, and this is not him promoting this idea?

And let me know if I'm wrong, but during Katrina, wasn't FEMA the group who was the least effective as opposed to the most Orwellian? And how does appointing the head of the Arabian horse association somehow dictate the principles of FEMA?

If you remember, it was the Air Nat'l Guard who were allegedly confiscating weapons, and locking down city sectors, not FEMA. Then Bush's FEMA led by the exact-opposite person who should have been in charge, horribly failed, and you want to not blame Bush's retarded appointment and completely absent response plan, but some secret dark forces that FEMA operates under? That's why Katrina sucked?


Sorry, but this FEMA concentration-camp conspiracy has been debunked for almost twenty years, and don't you think that an elected official --one who many regard as incredibly intelligent-- should know this, as opposed to me, some ordinary internet loser?

Wait, what?

20 years? Can you be more specific?

>> ^jake:
20 years? Can you be more specific?


http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/4312850.html

Amtrak has personally been debunking this for at least that amount of time. The conspiracy really had legs about 15 years ago (during Clinton), then gained traction again about 6-7 years ago (during the height of the Bush paranoia).

Depending on who you talk to, there are also: inverted barbed wire fences, windowless, two level train cars with interior shackles and UN logos painted on them, as well as the turnstyle entrances, and the blacked-out warehouses for the eventual gassing of all conservatives(under Obama) or liberals (under Bush).

If Ron Paul actually gave a shit about reality, then he wouldn't allow these lies to go uncontested, but then again this is the same guy who thinks Obama was installed, and that there's a NAFTA superhighway being built.

>> ^volumptuous:
Here's Ron Paul's words:
"I don't think all the answers are in"


Lets include some context with that:

"I don't think all of the answers are in. Your concern that they might be setting up these camps, that verge on concentration camps, there's no evidence that I can find that they are actually set up."

That doesn't sound like he's pushing any conspiracies. Then he goes on to your next quote.


"I think there's justified concern"


Actually he said "there's a justified concern", but that isn't a huge issue.

Does he go on to say that the concern is about concentration camps? No. He even specifically says "the atmosphere in Washington is what you have to be concerned about." Paul then references 911 and the patriot act, along with other trends "where personal liberties and civil liberties are not well protected."

Ron Paul never said that there are concentration camps, he says that FEMA has the power to do what Glenn Beck thinks they are doing. There is a big difference.

Yes, FEMA can override local authorities in an emergency... that doesn't mean the guy leading FEMA is evil, or even competent. Ron Paul doesn't want them to have the ability to do bad things... he doesn't say anything about believing that they are currently doing those bad things.

Would you like FEMA to have all that power if Palin was running it? Power is fine when decent people are wielding it, but there is no way to control who will wield that power in the future. That is what Ron Paul fears... not what they are doing now, but what they have the ability to do if they really wanted to.

^ You're absolutely right.

Armed militias should definitely be at the helm during any federal emergency or natrual disaster.

Why would we want an agency filled with qualified people to take over the reins after a massive hurricane or other freak accident? That's ridiculous!! All power should be spread out to unconnected, heavily-armed factions who answer to noone.
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Remember, during Bush 1's term (a scary republican!) FEMA played an undoubtedly important role in the hurricane Andrew aftermath. Without FEMA in charge, tens of thousands of people who's lives were already fucked, could've died. FEMA tent-cities and trailers and supplies saved the day.

My GF's family was hit by Andrew, their house was obliterated. Without FEMA, they and their neighbors would've been completely fucked. If you left decisions to local militia groups--or whatever group exists in Ron Paul's fantasy world--their lives would've been even worse, or non-existent.

Ron Paul's fantasy-world does not and never has existed. He tries to jam his Libertarian square peg into every round hole he finds. But it's just fantasy. Who on earth would he recommend to aid in a disaster like this? The "free market"?


uggh

And btw: what is "the legislation" that Ron Paul is talking about? Or is this yet another "NAFTA superhighway" piece of rhetorical bullshit that doesn't actually exist?

And I got the context right, thank you. He started off with "I don't think all the answers are in", then stated there's no proof of their construction.

If there's no proof, then what answers do you need?

There's no proof that I'm the second coming of Christ, but do we really need to wait for the "answers" to be "in" to realize that it's 100% bullshit?

Proving a negative is stupid, and he's purposefully using fear and confusion, and unsubstantiated congressional fuzzy-lingo to push more fear on people, to advance his Tea-Bagger fantasy.

^ If you what FEMA to have more power then that is fine. If you want to disagree with Ron Paul for wanting to limit FEMA's power, that is fine too. If FEMA is powerless to act in a disaster than that could be a very bad thing, though there has to be some limit on what they are allowed to do.

Still, I'm really not sure where you are seeing Ron Paul say that he believes FEMA has concentration camps. I see Beck talking about it, and I see Paul saying that they have the power, but he never says that he believes they actually exist (quite the opposite actually).

It just seems that Ron Paul has plenty of odd ideas you could attack without having to make up new ones. Oh well.