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Rep Wiener DESTROYS sellout Republicans... Twice!

I love how Wiener swears he'll be good... then just resumes his furious beatdown :D

(For his third return to the podium, skip to 5.45)
gharksays...

It boggles my mind that people are allowed to interject like that and cause large amounts of wasted time. Why not just deal with objections on a technical basis after hours and have the guilty person reprimanded when there aren't dozens of people sitting there doing nothing (and getting paid large sums of money for it) until process resumes.

gharksays...

Wow i've been waiting for the "put up or shut up" for a while, it's nice to hear Maddow actually say it -

"you ignore the public option .... at your very grave peril"

But it makes me wonder, does America even care enough for this to be true?

NordlichReitersays...

Comment from digg



Republicans accepted the following amounts in 2010 from:

Insurance: $1,319,521
Health Professionals: $2,982,581

And Democrats:

Insurance: $1,405,291
Health Professionals: $3,078,997

http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/indus.php?cycle ...
http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/indus.php?cycle ...

Why would you look at that, looks like Democrats accepted more money than Republicans from the insurance and health industries..
TSK05TSK05
19 hr 49 min ago


Keep fucking that chicken. This country is bought and owned by the Corporate Citizens. These people aren't the heroes you think they are. Read the damned bill. It's a corporate playground in there. Read it for yourself. If you can get it to load and go easy on the CTRL F that causes a massive slow down.
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

One of the reasons I dislike the bill? Here:


SEC. 6050X. RETURNS RELATING TO HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE.

`(a) Requirement of Reporting- Every person who provides acceptable coverage (as defined in section 59B(d)) to any individual during any calendar year shall, at such time as the Secretary may prescribe, make the return described in subsection (b) with respect to such individual.

`(b) Form and Manner of Returns- A return is described in this subsection if such return--

`(1) is in such form as the Secretary may prescribe, and

`(2) contains--

`(A) the name, address, and TIN of the primary insured and the name of each other individual obtaining coverage under the policy,

`(B) the period for which each such individual was provided with the coverage referred to in subsection (a), and

`(C) such other information as the Secretary may require.

`(c) Statements to Be Furnished to Individuals With Respect to Whom Information Is Required- Every person required to make a return under subsection (a) shall furnish to each primary insured whose name is required to be set forth in such return a written statement showing--

`(1) the name and address of the person required to make such return and the phone number of the information contact for such person, and

`(2) the information required to be shown on the return with respect to such individual.

The written statement required under the preceding sentence shall be furnished on or before January 31 of the year following the calendar year for which the return under subsection (a) is required to be made.

`(d) Coverage Provided by Governmental Units- In the case of coverage provided by any governmental unit or any agency or instrumentality thereof, the officer or employee who enters into the agreement to provide such coverage (or the person appropriately designated for purposes of this section) shall make the returns and statements required by this section.'.

(2) PENALTY FOR FAILURE TO FILE-

(A) RETURN- Subparagraph (B) of section 6724(d)(1) of such Code is amended by striking `or' at the end of clause (xxii), by striking `and' at the end of clause (xxiii) and inserting `or', and by adding at the end the following new clause:

`(xxiv) section 6050X (relating to returns relating to health insurance coverage), and'.

(B) STATEMENT- Paragraph (2) of section 6724(d) of such Code is amended by striking `or' at the end of subparagraph (EE), by striking the period at the end of subparagraph (FF) and inserting `, or', and by inserting after subparagraph (FF) the following new subparagraph:

`(GG) section 6050X (relating to returns relating to health insurance coverage).'.

(c) Return Requirement- Subsection (a) of section 6012 of such Code is amended by inserting after paragraph (9) the following new paragraph:

`(10) Every individual to whom section 59B(a) applies and who fails to meet the requirements of section 59B(d) with respect to such individual or any qualifying child (as defined in section 152(c)) of such individual.'.

(d) Clerical Amendments-

(1) The table of parts for subchapter A of chapter 1 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by adding at the end the following new item:

`Part VIII. Health Care Related Taxes.'.

(2) The table of sections for subpart B of part III of subchapter A of chapter 61 is amended by adding at the end the following new item:

`Sec. 6050X. Returns relating to health insurance coverage.'.

(e) Section 15 Not to Apply- The amendment made by subsection (a) shall not be treated as a change in a rate of tax for purposes of section 15 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986.

(f) Effective Date-

(1) IN GENERAL- The amendments made by this section shall apply to taxable years beginning after December 31, 2012.

(2) RETURNS- The amendments made by subsection (b) shall apply to calendar years beginning after December 31, 2012.


http://www.lifeandhealthinsurancenews.com/News/2009/11/Pages/HR-3962-What-If-You-Dont-Have-Health-Insurance.aspx

Did you read that? No, I thought not. The bills are so complicated that you need a lawyer to understand them, and then even that. Tax law is the only place where it is permissible to use Ignorance as a defense. Ignorantia juris non excusat

That is what is fundamentally wrong with this nation. The laws are so god-damned complicated. That's why tax laws never been wholly reformed or edited.

It's like trying to shoot yourself in the foot with C++ programming.


C++
You accidentally create a dozen clones of yourself and shoot them all in the foot. Emergency medical assistance is impossible since you can't tell which are bitwise copies and which are just pointing at others and saying, "That's me, over there."

http://www.thealmightyguru.com/Humor/Docs/ShootYourselfInTheFoot.html

Nithernsays...

Yeah, cus we see how well the free market is currently handling the problem. None of you were around during the days of steel towns, and the railroad baronies. Where a town was effectively controlled by the Company. From cradle to grave, you were essentially, a slave. The Company owned EVERYTHING, including the 'police'. They typically used fear as a weapon to keep workers in-line, un-unionized, and unable to protest for better wages and working conditions.

Its really to bad, so many Americans don't know their American history.

GeeSussFreeKsays...

Hey guys, I know this is a distraction from people yelling at each other, but what are the rule sets they follow for calling people to the floor and stuff. I know it is some formalized meeting style that has a name, but it escapes me.

gharksays...

Interesting post nordlichreiter - i don't think too many posters here would believe republicans and democrats are not two sides of the same coin though, if you've listened to any Noam Chomsky (as one example) you would know that. There really is no left or right, there is just business. The Democrats are doing a better job of pretending they are trying to do something, that is about all.

Watching Maddow interview Barbera Boxer is imo a pretty good example of what you are talking about, this (Democrat) chick is pure evil, on one hand she's using great talking points and probably getting a lot of support because of it, on the other hand she's been part of the reason the public option is dropped from the current proposal. In one breath she says how great the public option is, then in the next breath tries to use a sales pitch to explain to everyone why they don't need it.

She's also willing to block (using her 42 odd group of voting buddies) any bill if it includes the current abortion wording, which is just part of the game to delay this bill as long as possible so they can pretend they are dropping important aspects of it to "meet half way". The worst for me is her tone, she puts on this smarmy tone, talks slowly as if she's talking to a child, and uses a healthcare example of a child with a cleft palatte to try and get sympathy support, something someone like Sarah Palin would do. For her, it's all just a sales pitch.

Here's the vid (you can avoid the ad' if you access it through the playlist in dag's Rachel Maddow vid - it's the top right one)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/35573155#35573155

blankfistsays...

>> ^NordlichReiter:
Comment from digg


Republicans accepted the following amounts in 2010 from:
Insurance: $1,319,521
Health Professionals: $2,982,581
And Democrats:
Insurance: $1,405,291
Health Professionals: $3,078,997
http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/indus.php?cycle ...
http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/indus.php?cycle ...
Why would you look at that, looks like Democrats accepted more money than Republicans from the insurance and health industries..
TSK05TSK05
19 hr 49 min ago

Keep fucking that chicken. This country is bought and owned by the Corporate Citizens. These people aren't the heroes you think they are. Read the damned bill. It's a corporate playground in there. Read it for yourself. If you can get it to load and go easy on the CTRL F that causes a massive slow down.
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text


What? You mean government regulation may actually mean corporate collusion? Never! Big brother loves us.

quantumushroomsays...

taxocrats only care about expanding government. At MOST there are 12 million uninsured in America, not 50 million. A trillion "extra" dollars to cover 12 million uninsured seems like overkill, even for this government. And anyway there's not enough money for the entitlement programs already in place, so there's nothing left to pay for obamacare. Government never makes anything cheaper or more efficient, but hey, don't worry, Weiner's here to ensure "the American people aren't gouged." This guy and his ilk--all recipients of health care industry dollars just like the other side--will be dead and gone long before your great-grandchildren are paying for such follies, just like we today are still paying for FDR's and Johnson's.

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