60,000 fetuses? Holy cow this guy is a hero. Imagine 60,000 more Kansans today...

Here's something to think about. In Kansas, in 2007 there were 107 murders. Making the assumption that each murder had a unique murder, the recorded population of Kansas of 2,775,997, and extending that trend, the abortion of 60,000 babies saved the state 2.3 murderers. These are murderers that kill real people with a life.

Assuming unique circumstances here are some other numbers that show the kind of crime that may have been stopped (based on 60,000 fetuses and current population):
~27 rapes (although many rapists are repeat offenders)
~272 violent crimes
~439 Burglaries
~1584 theft/larceny
These assumptions are per year, mind you.

I know these numbers aren't perfect but the fact of the matter is, there's always 2 sides to a coin.

regardless of your opinion on abortion one issue everyone seems to miss is,the woman come to him. he doesnt go round them up. they come to him asking for help. they come to him

>> ^rottenseed:
Here's something to think about. In Kansas, in 2007 there were 107 murders. Making the assumption that each murder had a unique murder, the recorded population of Kansas of 2,775,997, and extending that trend, the abortion of 60,000 babies saved the state 2.3 murderers. These are murderers that kill real people with a life.


Something is seriously, seriously broken if that's how you see the situation. That just makes me sad. How many lives were saved as a result of the Holocaust? 9/11?

>> ^Xax:
>> ^rottenseed:
Here's something to think about. In Kansas, in 2007 there were 107 murders. Making the assumption that each murder had a unique murder, the recorded population of Kansas of 2,775,997, and extending that trend, the abortion of 60,000 babies saved the state 2.3 murderers. These are murderers that kill real people with a life.

Something is seriously, seriously broken if that's how you see the situation. That just makes me sad. How many lives were saved as a result of the Holocaust? 9/11?


Why is it broken because you disagree with it? You seem to like to describe people that say things that you disagree with as "broken."

>> ^Xax:
>> ^rottenseed:
Here's something to think about. In Kansas, in 2007 there were 107 murders. Making the assumption that each murder had a unique murder, the recorded population of Kansas of 2,775,997, and extending that trend, the abortion of 60,000 babies saved the state 2.3 murderers. These are murderers that kill real people with a life.

Something is seriously, seriously broken if that's how you see the situation. That just makes me sad. How many lives were saved as a result of the Holocaust? 9/11?

We all die. People in the Holocaust and 9/11 suffered they had a vested interest in life and a will to live. Fetuses are glorified plants.

>> ^curiousity:
Why is it broken because you disagree with it? You seem to like to describe people that say things that you disagree with as "broken."


It's just my way of saying it's seriously fucked up. I used it with you for the same reason. You don't have to like it or agree with me, but there it is.

I think it's time for me to smarten up and stop feeding the trolls.

Why are you calling me a troll? I'm just throwing out a point of view...as macabre as it is. If somebody doesn't agree with you, it doesn't automatically mean that they're a troll.

>> ^curiousity:
Why is it broken because you disagree with it? You seem to like to describe people that say things that you disagree with as "broken."



Well, logically it tends to lead to the conclusion that abortion is a positive thing, and that more abortion is even better.

Following that reasoning further you could state that "aborting all pregnancies is acceptable because it would eventually reduce all crime levels to zero."

>> ^Psychologic:
>> ^curiousity:
Why is it broken because you disagree with it? You seem to like to describe people that say things that you disagree with as "broken."


Well, logically it tends to lead to the conclusion that abortion is a positive thing, and that more abortion is even better.
Following that reasoning further you could state that "aborting all pregnancies is acceptable because it would eventually reduce all crime levels to zero."

Right because everything is segmented into binary. People don't have abortions if they want a child...but if they don't want a child, they should feel free to abort. I don't care if another asshole isn't born into this world. I mean maybe that aborted fetus could've grown to be the most brilliant scientist we've ever seen, or maybe the most hate filled murder-rapist the country has ever known...but most likely it'll just be another run-of-the-mill, amount-to-nothing human joining a frat, clogging up the freeways, and wasting their life away in an 8 cube until retirement.

We don't need to populate anymore.

I don't want to put words in rottenseed's mouth. But there's an interesting chapter in the book Freakonomics (by Dr. D. Levitt and Dr. Stephen J. Dubner)that relates to what was said. An exert: http://freakonomicsbook.com/thebook/ch4.html
The basic premise is that if an unwanted child is brought into the world they are more likely to become a criminal. Thus Roe vs. Wade resulted in a drop in the crime rate.

>> ^rottenseed:
We don't need to populate anymore.

I can certainly agree with that, and also with the assertion that troubles in childhood can lead to criminal behavior later in life. I just don't think that your original comment supported any stance on abortion.

It said, in essence, that when population size decreases, so does the total number of crimes committed. That's fine as a simple observation, but if you try to use that as an argument for abortion then it tends to lead toward the logical conclusions I stated earlier. The "troubled childhood" argument is a bit stronger.



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I don't think abortion is evil, just unfortunate. Terminating an "accidental" pregnancy isn't altogether different from not getting pregnant to begin with.

If someone chooses not to get pregnant then aren't they preventing a possible child from growing to maturity and enjoying life? I don't have any children, but I'm sure I could have produced well over 10 by now (assuming one partner, both starting at age 18). Is it a tragedy that those 10+ children will never live?

Within ~20 years we'll have easy and reliable methods for preventing accidental pregnancy, so the abortion issue will fade away once such methods become widespread and affordable. No unwanted pregnancies = no demand for abortions.

Until then we can perhaps concentrate on education and contraception to reduce the demand for abortion. Trying to outlaw it (or demonize it) would likely be about as successful as the War on Drugs.

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>> ^Xax:
I think it's time for me to smarten up and stop feeding the trolls.


Because anyone that doesn't agree with you is a troll? What a small-minded view.

>> ^curiousity:
>> ^Xax:
I think it's time for me to smarten up and stop feeding the trolls.

Because anyone that doesn't agree with you is a troll? What a small-minded view.


No, it's because beyond expressing an immediate emotional reaction, he doesn't want to form a coherent counter-argument. By dismissing rottenseed as a "troll" he can avoid the burden of rational thought.

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