Video Flagged Dead

Playgirl Comes to the End of Its Road

Just curious how many up/downvotes/comments a vid with naked hunks would get.

PS: Don’t worry it’s only the end of the paper version.
Obsidianfiresays...

>> ^moodonia:
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What do you think of pale and scrawny? Maybe we should be talking


I can tell you what I think of pale and scrawny. It includes the phrases "busted teeth" and "torn cheek". Look for girls somewhere else, this isn't eharmony.com (In other words, karkarlee is mine. Back off.)

Don_Juansays...

Ha! You are MINE Obsidianfire!! And then I ravenously take Karkarlee!!! HA! HA HA! and DEVOUR you BOTH FOR BREAKFAST!!! HA! HA! HA! I Am INSATIABLE!!!!


O.K., Just kidding!! I don't usually eat breakfast. (Is insatiable really a word? I'm not sure)

thinker247says...

Busted teeth and...a torn cheek? Do I want to know what you're going to shove in his mouth?

>> ^Obsidianfire:
>>^moodonia:
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What do you think of pale and scrawny? Maybe we should be talking

I can tell you what I think of pale and scrawny. It includes the phrases "busted teeth" and "torn cheek". Look for girls somewhere else, this isn't eharmony.com (In other words, karkarlee is mine. Back off.)

moodoniasays...

"Back Off" lmao! Holy shit! a tough guy on the internet! Sense of humour ever? Did you seriously think I was trying to hook up on videosift with a line about being pale and scrawny? lol God thats the funniest thing I've read on here in ages, keep beating your little chest, though downvote for threatening violence in siftopia

>> ^Obsidianfire:
>> ^moodonia:
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What do you think of pale and scrawny? Maybe we should be talking

I can tell you what I think of pale and scrawny. It includes the phrases "busted teeth" and "torn cheek". Look for girls somewhere else, this isn't eharmony.com (In other words, karkarlee is mine. Back off.)

gwiz665says...

>> ^Obsidianfire:
>> ^moodonia:
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What do you think of pale and scrawny? Maybe we should be talking

I can tell you what I think of pale and scrawny. It includes the phrases "busted teeth" and "torn cheek". Look for girls somewhere else, this isn't eharmony.com (In other words, karkarlee is mine. Back off.)


Reeeally? Dude, really? Your head is going to pop when blankfist organizes "Everyone hit on karkarlee-day"

Octopussysays...

>> ^karkarlee:
Hehehehhh.
I'm not into 'hunky' types. Most of these guys look like idiots. Big and buff is just.. eh. Gross. No thank you.
Hilarious though.


Talking about porn myths (http://femme.videosift.com/talk/Just-for-fun-Pornography-Myths#comment-484711), maybe you just touched on some serious truthiness re women and sex and/or porn: humour. Could it be that some/a lot/all women are put off by/not interested in porn because it is all presented in such a terrible serious way?

Obsidianfiresays...

>> ^gwiz665:
Reeeally? Dude, really? Your head is going to pop when blankfist organizes "Everyone hit on karkarlee-day"


His comment makes my girl really uncomfortable. It's sexual harassment. She told me to tell him to screw off and I was happy to. The end. If VS seriously got that bad, we'd just go somewhere else.

LittleRedsays...

>> ^Obsidianfire:
His comment makes my girl really uncomfortable. It's sexual harassment. She told me to tell him to screw off and I was happy to. The end. If VS seriously got that bad, we'd just go somewhere else.


No, it's not sexual harassment. "What do you think about pale and scrawny?" doesn't constitute a "hostile environment." If she was offended by it, that's her own problem. She's a big girl - she can fight her own battles, or attack men for their harmless, entertaining comments if she chooses. She shouldn't have to send her boyfriend on another continent over to say rude things. That's something that should be addressed in private profile comments, and from her to him.


Grow up. Empty threats from a homeless guy on the internet aren't scary - they're immature.

xxovercastxxsays...

>> ^Obsidianfire:
>> His comment makes my girl really uncomfortable. It's sexual harassment. She told me to tell him to screw off and I was happy to. The end. If VS seriously got that bad, we'd just go somewhere else.


Even if he was serious, in no way could 'maybe we should talk' be sexual harassment. You need to relax.

moodoniasays...

Wow I'm away for a few hours and look what happens... I was done with this until I happened to see the words sexual harassment. He accuses me of sexual harrassment and then says "The End". Like thats it?

Ok I was being calm and relatively civil (I've already heavily edited out the profanity) I'm a fairly passive person, I didnt rise to the bait of threats but being accused of SEXUAL HARRASSMENT!!! Wtf is this? I'm ready to tear a fucking phonebook in half sitting here!

I'm a couple of years coming to this site, I never messed with anybody, screwed with their vids or anything else and now this fucking tool is throwing around threats and sexual harrassment accusations

WTF? I better not write anymore, all opinions welcome

10444says...

Since this is all up in the face, I'll post what I said to LittleRed here:

"Harassment means any comment or behaviour that is unwelcome, offensive, demeaning, humiliating, derogatory, or is otherwise inappropriate or fails to respect the dignity of an individual."

I've had a LOT of trouble with men before: emotionally, physically, and sexually. Even if it's just a joke, guys flirting with me reminds me of the bad experiences I've had. Justin knows that, so he's protective of me in that sense. I asked him to respond, because I didn't know whether or not I would be taken seriously for my comment, 'cause I'm a chick and asshole guys I've been around haven't taken me seriously because of that.

Experience leads to reactions, and I've had guys say that kinda shit to me and mean it. I'm pretty cautious, it's just the way my life has made me. Lay offa Justin, he's just trying to protect me in the way most guys I know do - by defending at all costs, reputation included. ( Also, before you go saying - this is the internet! - I've had problems online too. )

Just.. calm down for a bit. I'm sorry if anything here personally offended you. People get upset and say shit without thinking of exactly how it'll be understood; it's a natural, human mistake. Most problems in the world arise because of misunderstandings. It has nothing to do with maturity. Mistakes and rash emotions happen at all ages, whether the person is mature or immature.

blankfistsays...

Well, goddammit! I was just about to organize that "Everyone hit on karkarlee day", but nooooooo, moodonia had to ruin it for everyone with his discuss!

We're all being very un-Dude, right now. Let's all take a breather, relax and take a cue from choggie and me. We never hold grudges. Oh wait, no, that's not true.

Obsidianfiresays...

Sorry, you weren't being civil. You made a comment to someone who felt uncomfortable with you doing so, then when you saw it upset people, instead of apologizing you did this. There is nothing else to discuss here. You made an offhanded sexual remark towards a woman on the internet and now you're upset because you see your words actually effect others. I will protect my girl at all costs. I will admit I overreacted. Like I said I'm really protective of my girl. I apologize for flying off the handle but this shit happens ALL THE TIME on other websites. Someone hits on my girl just because she's female. I reacted to this in the same way I reacted to more extreme forms of sexual comments. It's hard to say whether it was considered sexual harassment, but it's unwelcome sexual attention. What else could you have possibly meant by your comment other then "If you don't like hunks, I'm pale and scrawny, let's talk." I didn't like it, she didn't like it, that's what matters. I shouldn't have been rude about it, but I have other things going on in my life that affect my mood where I'm short tempered. Do me a favor and don't talk to my girl in a sexual manner unless you know her and know she is comfortable with that kind of humor. It'd be best to follow that rule for any member of the opposite sex you meet but I'm not going to tell you how to live your life. I WILL tell you what's crossing the line in my and my girl's life though.

As for LittleRed, this will be the second time I'm going to report you for your trolling. You literally have nothing to do with this conversation but you managed to shove your nose right in it. None of this was directed towards you, and for you to repeatedly post rude comments on my user page when I've asked nicely for you to cease, then taking a personal stab at my quality of life, that's considered harassment. Don't be hypocritical. What I did was immature, but you're calling the kettle black with that comment.

moodoniasays...

"I'm Obsidianfire-sexual, no interest in anyone else."
pwnt

Nothing about being upset there. Saw it upset who? You are the only one claiming to be upset about sexual harassment. ON A FUCKING PORN MAG THREAD. Damn right I'm calling a discuss. You dont accuse people of sexual misdeeds and fuck off back up your moral high ground. I made a non sexual joke in response to what was said in a previous comment. I didnt even bring up the subject. Look it up. You consider "we should talk" sexual? Notice the wink at the end? As in joke?

Your basic problem is you think I'm hitting on your girlfriend. You have a problem. Get over it. I couldnt care less about whats going on in your life that makes you act the way you do, everyone has problems, not everyone makes threats and accusations in a forum for public disscussion. You accuse me of sexual harassment, now you accuse other people of trolling and spam.....

Sexual harassment? Is this your first day on the internet or something?

10444says...

It made me uncomfortable because I felt it was sexual, but I was trying to keep my cool about it. Please.. just let this go. He responded, he's apologized, and it's all cool now. Misunderstandings have been cleared up. He already agreed that using the words sexual harassment was a bit far, he said them while he was upset. Like he said in his latest reply, it was unwanted sexual attention.

His problem is that the comment made me uncomfortable and I asked him to help me deal with it, because if you hadn't been joking you probably wouldn't've listened to me. It was a stupid thing to do but it definitely is understandable. I'm sorry that the effect I had has angered you, and that the acts of assholes in the past made me unsure of your intentions.


>> ^moodonia:
"I'm Obsidianfire-sexual, no interest in anyone else."
pwnt
Nothing about being upset there. Saw it upset who? You are the only one claiming to be upset about sexual harassment. ON A FUCKING PORN MAG THREAD. Damn right I'm calling a discuss. You dont accuse people of sexual misdeeds and fuck off back up your moral high ground. I made a non sexual joke in response to what was said in a previous comment. I didnt even bring up the subject. Look it up. You consider "we should talk" sexual? Notice the wink at the end? As in joke?
Your basic problem is you think I'm hitting on your girlfriend. You have a problem. Get over it. I couldnt care less about whats going on in your life that makes you act the way you do, everyone has problems, not everyone makes threats and accusations in a forum for public disscussion. You accuse me of sexual harassment, now you accuse other people of trolling and spam.....
Sexual harassment? Is this your first day on the internet or something?

Sarzysays...

I'll admit that Obsidianfire was wrong to threaten you with violence and call you out for sexual harassment for making what was clearly a joke, but what's your endgame for discussing this? Do you want him... banned? What? You're just turning a minor kerfuffle into a major, much more public one. I'd * return this myself, but I'll wait to see what the point of this is.

Paybacksays...

From what I've seen of the quality of people on here --with a couple exceptions but that is the same of ANY public grouping-- I think if someone was uncomfortable with a posting maybe someone should have said so, and ONLY that.

I really get the sense moodoonia would have apologized at that point. Then it would have been over.

I guess people are too in love with the idea they can get away with threatening people over the internet and having no consequences due to the anonymity.

SDGundamXsays...

>> ^karkarlee:
"Harassment means any comment or behaviour that is unwelcome, offensive, demeaning, humiliating, derogatory, or is otherwise inappropriate or fails to respect the dignity of an individual."


No, sorry, it doesn't. By that definition EVERYTHING written on the Sift could be construed as harassment simply because someone decided they didn't like it. The true definition of harassment is:

"the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands" (legal-dictionary.com)


Clearly Moodonia making a single (and quite good) joke comes no where near close to harassment. Ironically, Obsidian's behavior on the other hand does come close.

>> ^karkarlee:
People get upset and say shit without thinking


...like your over-protective boyfriend for instance. You both owe Moodonia an apology, in my opinion. Not that that'll happen. This is the Internet after all...

EDIT: karkalee apologized while I was posting. I applaud that. Let's see what Obsidian does.

10444says...

I dunno about women in general but I don't go for just looks, I need personality and feeling. The type of dude to do porn isn't my type.

>> ^Octopussy:
Talking about porn myths (http://femme.videosift.com/talk/Just-for-fun-Pornography-Myths#co
mment-484711), maybe you just touched on some serious truthiness re women and sex and/or porn: humour. Could it be that some/a lot/all women are put off by/not interested in porn because it is all presented in such a terrible serious way?

10444says...

Both of us have apologized. I don't feel there's anything more to say than what has been said, except for anything moodonia has to add.

>> ^SDGundamX:
...like your over-protective boyfriend for instance. You both owe Moodonia an apology, in my opinion. Not that that'll happen. This is the Internet after all...

Obsidianfiresays...

I just find it funny that when one person acts immature (me) everyone else feels the need to join in, but judge at the same time. If you're going to look down on me for what I said, don't post immature comments yourself, especially in the same thread. You know who you are.

I admit I acted harshly, but at the same time, I think everyone can understand WHY I acted that way. Anyway. It's done, nothing else needs to be added, sometimes conflicts occur, even on The Great Videosift.

One thing I'm not going to ignore though, is how LittleRed had to bring out the fact that I was almost homeless and that karkarlee and I are on separate continents. That was just fucking mean, and this isn't the first time she's personally attacked someone. That had nothing to do with anything discussed here and I DO expect an apology from her for that. (LittleRed, you don't know karkarlee so don't tell the world what she is and is not capable of, or what her choices and decisions in life should be. That is not, nor never will be, up for you to decide. You don't know her. Period.)

>>^LittleRed:
No, it's not sexual harassment. "What do you think about pale and scrawny?" doesn't constitute a "hostile environment." If she was offended by it, that's her own problem. She's a big girl - she can fight her own battles, or attack men for their harmless, entertaining comments if she chooses. She shouldn't have to send her boyfriend on another continent over to say rude things. That's something that should be addressed in private profile comments, and from her to him.


Grow up. Empty threats from a homeless guy on the internet aren't scary - they're immature.


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>> ^SDGundamX:
>> EDIT: karkalee apologized while I was posting. I applaud that. Let's see what Obsidian does.


I've apologized, you probably just missed the post.

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Also, I'd like to rephrase my original posting now that I'm calmed down:

moodonia- Please don't joke around in that manner to karkarlee because it both makes us uncomfortable, for different reasons. I see now that you really didn't mean any harm from it, but at the time I saw it in a different light. Sorry dude.


Lastly, I'm sorry Octopussy for hijacking your thread with our quarrels. Atleast you get some publicity for it though eh?

nibiyabisays...

>> ^karkarlee:
Since this is all up in the face, I'll post what I said to LittleRed here:
"Harassment means any comment or behaviour that is unwelcome, offensive, demeaning, humiliating, derogatory, or is otherwise inappropriate or fails to respect the dignity of an individual."
I've had a LOT of trouble with men before: emotionally, physically, and sexually. Even if it's just a joke, guys flirting with me reminds me of the bad experiences I've had. Justin knows that, so he's protective of me in that sense. I asked him to respond, because I didn't know whether or not I would be taken seriously for my comment, 'cause I'm a chick and asshole guys I've been around haven't taken me seriously because of that.
Experience leads to reactions, and I've had guys say that kinda shit to me and mean it. I'm pretty cautious, it's just the way my life has made me. Lay offa Justin, he's just trying to protect me in the way most guys I know do - by defending at all costs, reputation included. ( Also, before you go saying - this is the internet! - I've had problems online too. )
Just.. calm down for a bit. I'm sorry if anything here personally offended you. People get upset and say shit without thinking of exactly how it'll be understood; it's a natural, human mistake. Most problems in the world arise because of misunderstandings. It has nothing to do with maturity. Mistakes and rash emotions happen at all ages, whether the person is mature or immature.


Your definition is missing a very important caveat -- harassment is partly defined as what a reasonable person would be offended or made to feel uncomfortable by.

RadHazGsays...

This entire thread is a perfect example of why everyone should READ YOUR PREVIEW first, before clicking that all important "submit" button. I find reading over my comment, and the comment I'm responding to one more time before I click that button prevents alooooot of unnecessary posting and/or possible offense on my part.

Type your post, cool off, read it over real quick once and glance at whatever your responding to. It will save everyone alot of headaches.

Oh, and remember, this is the INTERNET! Take everything you see and or read with a big ole grain of salt, and don't forget to bring your sense of humor along for the ride!

LittleRedsays...

1) I have never personally attacked anyone, nor do I "troll." I merely call a spade a spade. Report me all you want. You're not going to hurt my feelings, nor is anyone going to do anything about it. If everyone else felt the way you do about my comment, they would've said something. Instead, they didn't, and upvoted. I think that's a good indication of what a troll I truly am. I'm certainly not the one making violent threats.

2) I wasn't overly rude in any comment to you. I noticed you were obviously having a bad hair day, and mentioned that was probably not appropriate to take out on anyone. I also said if you truly feel threatened by him, ignoring his comments as you so proudly proclaimed you were doing was probably counter-productive. I received an "It's none of your f*cking business. Don't spam my profile with your opinion." So I kindly replied that this site is based on both videos and discussion - sharing opinions. The reason I joined was to share my opinion. It's not my fault that you don't want to hear it. And I received a "I'm going to delete every comment you ever post on my page again!!1!" I really don't see how any of my comments to you were rude or unjustified. Sure, maybe I wasn't trying to be kind. Then again, you didn't "ask nicely for me to cease" either.

3) I'm shoving my nose in the conversation. You're right. I am. You shoved your nose into someone else's conversation, too. You didn't post anything until you felt the need to tell everyone you would bust all Moodonia's teeth out and rip up his face. I watched from the sidelines while everyone else put in their two cents. Then when I noticed you were accusing others of sexual harassment, I stepped in. I suffered through sexual harassment every day at my old job. I started there in high school, worked there over the course of three years. I asked for a three-day weekend for my 18th birthday - my boss's response was "Get under my desk and I'll think about it. " For you to compare a comment like "Maybe we should talk" to something like that, I am absolutely appalled, and feel you just downplayed every victim of sexual harassment out there. So yes, I did offer up my opinion - that you are completely overreacting, and that if she had a problem with a comment like that in the first place, she needs to be the one to address it.

4) I'm sure I'm not the only one that found it amusing that a girl sends her long-distance boyfriend after some guy on the internet. I'm also not the only one that finds the same guy who was begging for housing a month earlier from anyone and everyone is now attacking a contributing member of the site humorous. Or... to a point, anyway. Now that it's hurt way too many feelings, it's not funny. But the fact that you might as well have been begging moodonia to sleep on his couch last month, and now you're attacking him is amazing.

The one thing I will apologize for is making generalizations about karkarlee. I'm sorry that since I assumed she's old enough to make decisions about porn in a relationship, she would also be old enough to stand up for herself - particularly against "mean" boys on the internet. I'm sorry I told the whole internet that she was a big girl and could fight her own fights when her boyfriend obviously disagrees. I won't make such mistakes again.

Zonbiesays...

>> ^LittleRed:
4) I'm sure I'm not the only one that found it amusing that a girl sends her long-distance boyfriend after some guy on the internet. I'm also not the only one that finds the same guy who was begging for housing a month earlier from anyone and everyone is now attacking a contributing member of the site humorous. Or... to a point, anyway. Now that it's hurt way too many feelings, it's not funny. But the fact that you might as well have been begging moodonia to sleep on his couch last month, and now you're attacking him is amazing.
The one thing I will apologize for is making generalizations about karkarlee. I'm sorry that since I assumed she's old enough to make decisions about porn in a relationship, she would also be old enough to stand up for herself - particularly against "mean" boys on the internet. I'm sorry I told the whole internet that she was a big girl and could fight her own fights when her boyfriend obviously disagrees. I won't make such mistakes again.


Littlered stop already with the snide comments

EDDsays...

Your snobbish attitude disgusts me, LittleRed: this feeling trumped over my surprise when I just found out you're a female. I also have a feeling that you deliberately reserved those thinly (at best) veiled insults for the last paragraph-again. This trait of yours is despicable.

I must say I have hell of a lot more respect for a lady who turned to her mate for assistance in a discussion that made her uncomfortable for good reasons than for one who basically continuously trolls a web site with her snide comments and attacks a fellow female for showing.. what, feminine traits in an internet conversation? Her vulnerability? How does that concern/offend you, exactly?

To be fair I am completely at a loss as to why you're being this aggressive (feminism?) when discussing similar topics. I'd like to know why. And yes, I'm not hiding my dislike towards the way you've behaved on this site.

gwiz665says...

I had a whole angry message all typed up, but seeing as everyones apologized to everyone by now, there's not much reason to post it.

I will make a couple of small follow-ups anyway.

Obsidianfire: Calm down, man! It's no fun reading comments like the one above. If you can't contribute to a healthy environment you should take a break and cool off. I would hit on her just to piss you off if this were any other site... but I like it here.

Karkarlee: 2 things: Fight your own battles and this is the Internet. That last part is important, because it WILL get worse, so you might as well get used to it. Your reply to moodonia was just fine; you don't need to send the attack dog after him.

"Lay offa Justin, he's just trying to protect me in the way most guys I know do - by defending at all costs, reputation included." Reputation lost.

Littlered: The veiled attacks are not welcome, even if the rest of the comments are accurate.

RadHazG's got it right>> ^RadHazG:
This entire thread is a perfect example of why everyone should READ YOUR PREVIEW first, before clicking that all important "submit" button. I find reading over my comment, and the comment I'm responding to one more time before I click that button prevents alooooot of unnecessary posting and/or possible offense on my part.
Type your post, cool off, read it over real quick once and glance at whatever your responding to. It will save everyone alot of headaches.
Oh, and remember, this is the INTERNET! Take everything you see and or read with a big ole grain of salt, and don't forget to bring your sense of humor along for the ride!

Kerotansays...

Just my 2 cents here people, but a fairly recent survey conducted on playgirl found that over 50% of playgirl readers where male.

Just a thought here, but when the majority of your readers are guys, perhaps the title of your magazine is a slight misnomer, and the whole, "this is porn for women lol" seems a bit contradictory to the evidence.

budzossays...

It didn't even look like flirting to me. More like self-deprecating humor. In any case, flirting is not the same as hitting on someone. (sarcasm edited out here)

To me, it seems hypocritical for a girl who doesn't want to engage in any type of sexually charged language with men to chime into a comment thread about a video full of naked men with comments about her sexual predilections. I think you two get off on dramatic flare-ups like this. Just calling it like I see it.

I got an offer to be in Playgirl once. Met with their people and everything. I had just moved to L.A. with no money. So glad I didn't sign for that. No, there are no nude pics of me. One of my few good decisions!

Octopussysays...

@Obsidian, no offense taken. After all, the sift is all about having healthy discussions about any possible topic (and, oh, yeah, also about posting vid’s ;-)). I deliberately posted this in response to the porn sift talk we still seem to be having somewhere else, to see how much comment a vid with naked hunks would raise. And, I’m not sure that I got what I expected, but I definitely didn’t expect this to happen while I was asleep (I’m at GMT+1) and have to admit that it’s... quite interesting.

@RadHazG, well said!!! Finally, some input that makes sense. Can we bend the rules a little so that s/he can become a member just on the basis of adding some sense to a heated discussion without her/him having posted any vid’s ;-)?

EndAllsays...

Wow, I just read all of this..

To summarize for newcomers who don't feel like reading through it all:

- moodonia makes innocent, insignificant little quip directed at karkarlee

- karkarlee gets emotional, reminisces on past laden with "sexual harassment" and asks her overseas lover to defend her against the cruel misogyny

- obsidianpride gets butthurt, feels the need to beat his chest and build a fence around his woman

- moodonia does not appreciate being accused of sexual harassment, wishes to discuss the matter

- people say "lol wtf? calm down guise"

- other stuff

- uninteresting

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