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A woman is the victim of a crime, police arrive and quickly turn a bad situation into a truly horrifying one. This is a news report and be warned its very difficult to watch. Title courtesy of youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRhyiXJ91CQ
2) The search might have been fully warranted.
3) I didn't see any excessive force. Yes, she was being held down and the "pretzel position" is simply a technique that allows one officer to control her legs. That doesn't mean she was in pain from that.
4) It's bullshit that she was int there nude for six hours. There is absolutely no way they can justify that.
5) This video would have seemed a LOT less dramatic had she not been screaming bloody murder the whole time.
6) Why the fuck were they videotaping it anyway?
Again, a prime example of a few officers fucking it up for the rest of the honest ones out there.
2) The search might have been fully warranted.
Why? She was a victim. She shouldn't have been strip searched or arrested. It's absurd to strip search someone who hasn't been charged with a crime.
3) I didn't see any excessive force. Yes, she was being held down and the "pretzel position" is simply a technique that allows one officer to control her legs. That doesn't mean she was in pain from that.
She was taken down and immobilized. That by itself is excessive force.
5) This video would have seemed a LOT less dramatic had she not been screaming bloody murder the whole time.
She should've been screaming bloody murder.
This episode brings out the "Fuck the Police" side in me. In these scenarios all it takes is ONE person to point out the evil and stop the others, but everyone decided to play along.
I also wonder why this is on tape. I'm glad though, because otherwise she wouldn't have a case.
1. there MUST be more to this.. you do not go from "you mean hurt myself now, or ever in my life?" to suddenly being held down in a cell screaming blue batshit murder like a demon-possessed death metal singer.. seriously, how did it get there?
2. they shouldn't have had men there.. but because i don't have any answer to 1, there may be mitigating circumstances meaning that it's less mind-blowing (NOT RIGHT OR CORRECT, SIMPLY LESS MIND BLOWING... for example, she coulda said she had a knife stuffed up her arse and she was going to kill herself, and they didn't have enough women present to nullify the threat on her life in a politically-correct way, so they had to use a few men in order to save her from killing herself)
3. my spider senses tell me there's something more than meets the eye
aside from that - police are scary.. i regularly wonder what i'd do if i was unjustifiably mistreated by a policeman/men.. very worrying indeed
Sorry, but a woman being forcibly stripped while in handcuffs should be screaming bloody murder... Just not on.
This may have been some sort of gradual escalation that perhaps she didn't help from her demeanor... Maybe... but even if it were it's the police's DUTY to calm things down, work out the actual situation and react ACCORDINGLY.
Even if there is missing footage, they did NOT handle this the right way.
To what end were they stripping her in the first place?
I too though have the issue of never trusting the media to bring the whole story, and there's a lot here which they don't go into:
* The initial assault on her... what were the details?
* What exactly did happen around the driver's license?
* Was she intoxicated?
* Why did they think she was the attacker not the attacked in the first place?
Not excusing their actions whatsoever, but there are a lot of gaps in this report...
I'm very skeptical, but also somewhat convinced that this just might be possible in some bumblefuck midwest town.
"America, The Land of the Free."-(fucking moronic)
"Oh thats nausiating. The cops in this country think they can do anything, and openly abuse their power."-(juvenile)
Idiots can be cops or criminals or both-healthy socialization notwithstanding, this is a case of idiots on parade, the parade televised, much to the consternation of those who would love to see the airwaves taken back from the assholes who abuse it-this is nothing but voyeurism in this venue.... an insult to journalism-
Fuck this and most local news organizations- moodonia gets 60+ votes for shock and awe, and monkeys who consider themselves thoughtful, compassionate, and intelligent, cast their votes like so many turds........
5) This video would have seemed a LOT less dramatic had she not been screaming bloody murder the whole time.
I'm not sure what your point is. You fault her for screaming? Would the video be less disturbing if she were not?
This sort of shit is infuriating.
I posted a video I thought people should see! Especially since the victim wanted publicity and wanted her story told, figured that was the point.
I was very disturbed by this and thought people should have the chance to see it like I did. I want stuff like this to be seen so law enforcement agencies are forced to improve their game, knowing this is entirely unacceptable.
Wish I had time to compose a thoughtful comment but I'm going somewhereI'd rather not
> 3) I didn't see any excessive force.
> 5) This video would have seemed a LOT less dramatic had she not been screaming bloody murder the whole time.
She was already traumatised from being attacked. She needs someone to talk calmly to her, not strip her down. He held her arms behind her back, which could have been painful and if you were in a room surrounded by people you thought you could trust who are doing such humiliating things to you, OF COURSE YOU WOULD SCREAM. You have no feelings.
Why didn't they reply to her when she asked what they were doing? No one in that room said a word.
And I think I heard one of the men snicker as he closed her door.
That does not make this event any less disturbing.
"... nothing but voyeurism"
Choggie, maybe you'd actually feel something if it was your loved one being forcibly stripped by 3 men and 2 women. Better yet, have it happen to you, and have no one care. Because those that did it to you were simply idiots...
Good thing in this case, as the officers seem to need greater sensitivity training.
Except, I will say this: I simply hope she sues the city and/or county as well slams all the sheriff's deputies and the sheriff individually with lawsuits for sexual assault, assault and battery, false arrest, intimidation and whatever else is possible.
I am the friendliest, most easy-going and reserved individual you will ever meet. But if my wife was treated like this (and watching this video made me realize it) I would definitely ruin the lives of the ones responsible. Think something along the lines of "Who breaks a butterfly upon a wheel".
@flavioriberio: immobilizing someone is NOT excessive force. For all we know, the officers had plenty good reason to suspect that this woman had a razor blade somewhere on her body, yet was unwilling to cooperate with the police.
"Everyone playing along" Again, it might have been fully warranted. Like someone said, even the female officers seemed to think that it was perfectly justified.
Just because she called 911, she is not automatically the victim.
Do you people really think that there's no way in the world that she was indeed attacking someone with a razor blade, and then called 911 on them? It could quite possibly be that who ever attacked her told the police that she had cut them with a blade, and had the cuts to prove it, and that the arresting officer couldn't find it. Therefore, she gets taken to jail where they search her clothes for a blade and fail to find one. They ask her if she has one or not, and she replies with a "Fuck you." They are then forced to perform a strip search to find the blade.
The video seems so traumatic because she is screaming bloody murder, and for all we know, the officers had every right to be doing that strip search. Should there have been males in there? No. Should she have been left naked? No. But none of you can tell me that she didn't deserve a strip search. For all you know, she was kicking any officer that tried to approach her, and that's why they were forced to restrain her. I'll reiterate: restraining someone is NOT excessive force. If they had a knee in her lower back and one on her neck, that would have been.
@Spoco: " Sorry, but a woman being forcibly stripped while in handcuffs should be screaming bloody murder... Just not on."
No, a completely innocent woman being forcibly stripped while in handcuffs should be screaming bloody murder. We don't know that this woman is completely innocent.
@Xax: "
I'm not sure what your point is. You fault her for screaming? Would the video be less disturbing if she were not?"
No, I don't fault her. I was merely stating that the video would have been less traumatic is she wasn't screaming.
@toast: "
Why didn't they reply to her when she asked what they were doing? No one in that room said a word.
And I think I heard one of the men snicker as he closed her door."
They might have already told her every reason why they were doing it. Maybe they just got sick of answering the same question 300 times.
"OF COURSE YOU WOULD SCREAM. You have no feelings."
Don't fucking tell me I have no feelings. I'm being objective. And no, I would scream IF I were indeed being treated badly. We don't know that she is.
@EDD: We don't know if it was a false arrest.
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THERE AREN'T ENOUGH FACTS IN THESE VIDEOS TO PRESENT A STRONG ARGUMENT FOR EITHER SIDE.
This is NOT a video relating to current international politics.
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It is pretty sick.
whoa...you guys think these cops are like fetish freaks on a power trip for kicks er summpthin'???
does look shitty for em.....
The onus is on the officers to prove that there was reasonable cause, not on the victim to prove that there wasn't. Strip search is unnecessary in almost all situations. They can use a fucking metal detector like airports, and the chance that she'd pull a ceramic glock out of her ass is next to nil. And even if she did, the cops could defend themselves reactively instead of indulging in this preemptive oppression. Protecting her from herself can never justify a strip search.
5) This video would have seemed a LOT less dramatic had she not been screaming bloody murder the whole time.
If the cops cross a line, it's her duty to resist them.
WE. DON'T. HAVE. ENOUGH. EVIDENCE. TO. SAY. THAT. THE. COPS. CROSSED. ANY. LINES.
Except that there were males in the room, though there may have been extenuating circumstances.
There is not enough evidence to conclude that this was not what should be done. Hopefully, an investigation is launched on this that uncovers that evidence, but until then the jury is out.
Edit: She could indeed be bat-shit insane, which would drive any person to take every precation to search anyone properly.
Why? She was a victim. She shouldn't have been strip searched or arrested. *It's absurd to strip search someone who hasn't been charged with a crime.
**It's called possible/probable cause. By "might have been fully warranted" he means you don't know the reason they did it. If cops saw me smoking weed and then I slipped it into my pocket... guess what... they have the right to search my pockets. WITHOUT ME BEING CHARGED WITH A CRIME. If I shove that joint up my ass... guess what else they have a right to do.
3) I didn't see any excessive force. Yes, she was being held down and the "pretzel position" is simply a technique that allows one officer to control her legs. That doesn't mean she was in pain from that.
*She was taken down and immobilized. That by itself is excessive force.
**Did you just say that being immobilized is automatically excessive force? Can you *REALLY* not think of a single situation where cops would legitimately need to immobilize someone? C'mon... you can't possibly be that stupid/naive
2) If cops saw me smoking weed and then I slipped it into my pocket... guess what... they have the right to search my pockets. WITHOUT ME BEING CHARGED WITH A CRIME. If I shove that joint up my ass... guess what else they have a right to do.
I'm not qualified to discuss the legality of strip searches, since I know very little of American laws, and lately the US legislation has changed to allow a lot of invasive procedures in the interest of "national security". What I hold is the personal belief that it's absurd to strip search someone without a proper accusation. A police officer shouldn't be able to do it just because he feels like it. Your example hinges on the whole "war on drugs" issue, which I also think is very damaging from a civil liberties standpoint.
3) Did you just say that being immobilized is automatically excessive force? Can you REALLY not think of a single situation where cops would legitimately need to immobilize someone? C'mon... you can't possibly be that stupid/naive
Being immobilized without being charged with a crime is (to me) excessive force.
I think your example about weed shows we have a deeper disagreement about civil liberties. I believe that getting immobilized by the police is a REALLY BIG DEAL. A police officer shouldn't have the right to hold someone against his or her will without making a formal accusation which he would later have to follow through with legal procedures. Otherwise they can just go around intimidating people and charging them with "resisting arrest".