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media,lies,analysts,propaganda PBS breaks media blackout on story of Pentagon propagandaPBS breaks media blackout on story of Pentagon propagandatags:"...The New York Times published an explosive report exposing the Pentagon’s secret campaign to use analysts... TV news organizations have largely been silent on their role in the propaganda. PBS’s Newshour finally broke this blackout, but couldn’t convince the other networks to participate..."
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Thats some North Korea crap right there.
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If you're going to go quoting the founding fathers, you should understand the context in which they wrote.
Who says he or she doesn't understand?
I love the, "this is an organized government attempt to deceive" versus the, "well, what do you expect" reaction.
"What the fuck, let's impeach these S.O.B.s" is a much better reaction.
I mean, the expressed intent was a secret marketing campaign for the government's agenda.
Thats some North Korea crap right there.
It's crap to be sure. However, in North Korea the media is run by the government directly and dissenters are arrested or killed. Don't negate how bad this is with a false comparison to North Korea.
Don't negate how bad this is with a false comparison to North Korea.
Is it not possible to compare our ignorance/acceptance of our own manipulation in the US with ignorance/acceptance of manipulation by N. Korean citizens?
>> ^jonny:
If you're going to go quoting the founding fathers, you should understand the context in which they wrote.
Who says he or she doesn't understand?
Did I? I made a suggestion, not an accusation. But its inclusion here does seem odd. IIRC, that quote was made in the context of the Sedition Act, and was referring to pseudonymous members of the government writing editorials in newspapers - some of which were calling for war with France, others just calling Adams an idiot. Jefferson did not support the idea of going to war with France, and was probably more concerned with the freedom of anyone to question, chastise, or otherwise remark on the administration. But the point remains - freedom of speech afforded to private citizens must hold for everyone, regardless of their current or previous job. I find it hard to believe that retired generals would take payment from the government to espouse a position which they did not hold themselves. That they were paid specifically to promulgate the administrations position is questionable, but I'm not sure it's illegal.
The Pentagon provided military analysts to networks. I am quite sure the networks were aware that these people were coming from the Pentagon. Logic would dictate that is the Pentagon introduced you to an individual then said person would remain in contact with the Pentagon. A four star General, after 40 years in the service, is an extremely prized asset for any defense contractor and most of them enter into that role or as a lobbyist for special defense interest groups. Saying that these 75 "special pentagon agents" are something out of the ordinary is silly.
Saying that there was some secret propaganda machine at work seems a little tinfoil hat to me. Todays media is a biased, cash backed, forced opinion mess. Everything they put out has a hidden agenda.
Is it not possible to compare our ignorance/acceptance of our own manipulation in the US with ignorance/acceptance of manipulation by N. Korean citizens?
Only as much as it is possible to compare it that of citizen's in Nazi Germany. The situation in N. Korea is so severe that comparisons to it are, to be understated, disingenuous. The ignorance and manipulation in North Korea involves executions for those who even question the near deity of the great leader. It involves all schools 'teaching' children about how great and all important Kim is to the well being of all. It involves the complete and total ban of all unsanctioned media that might dispel this image. So yes, I'd say it isn't really possible to make an honest analogy of the two without being entirely ignorant of the state of affairs in North Korea.