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I don't like the sneering disdain that Obermann has for blog journalists. His content is hardly a shining beacon of straight news.

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I also hate how this guy deliberately takes off his glasses in both interviews shortly after they start. It's like he's at a casting call, showing the "looks" he can protray. Someone is noodling for an MSNBC show.

"The agenda-- There's dark forces behind this. I really believe this. Forget the truth. A lot of people, Democrat and Republican alike, have banked on this not being torture."

"You say whatever your party tells you to say. Left wing radio says what they're supposed to say. Right wing radio follows their talking points. And frankly I'm sick of it."

This is all interesting coming from a conservative radio personality.

>> ^dag:
I also hate how this guy deliberately takes off his glasses in both interviews shortly after they start. It's like he's at a casting call, showing the "looks" he can protray. Someone is noodling for an MSNBC show.


As Ive said from the beginning, this whole "Mancow gets waterboarded" thing was a staged publicity stunt to get him and his show some nationwide attention. And it's worked. Everyone is buying it hook, line and sinker.

^ Well, sure it was a publicity stunt. He admitted as much in the vid. The purpose of any publicity stunt, whether it works or not, is to get nationwide attention. This one worked. It also had the unexpected side-effect of changing his mind. What exactly are we naively buying into? We saw a man (not the first) get waterboarded and change his mind.
What's he gonna do, NOT bring along a microphone and camera?

And also, as Keith brought up... what's the motivation?
I read the gawker article and still can't find an answer to that.
http://gawker.com/5272691/mancows-waterboarding-was-completely-fake
Yes, we know it was conceived as a publicity stunt. How are we being duped?

-Is the hoax that this "fake", unprofessionally-executed waterboarding is somehow WORSE than the real waterboarding carried out at the black sites?

-Is the hoax that Mancow was planning to defect to the liberal side on this anyway, and so planned a fake waterboarding and only ACTED like it was torture?

-Is the hoax that Mancow played Olbermann for a fool and tricked him into donating the money to HIS charity in exchange for a disingenuous conversion? <sarcasm> Ha ha, what a sucker! </sarcasm>

This article only raises a cloud of confusion around the issue and provides cover for the torture-advocates' denial. We are meant to come away from this with "Mancow - waterboarding - hoax" in our heads, and ignore what the stunt, genuine waterboarding or not, actually DOES show.

If conservatives think the waterboarding done here was not real enough to show anything, fine: satisfy your doubts by doing the experiment yourself! It would be very easy to prove us wrong.

I love seeing these two coming together like this.

For all you libs that still think "waterboarding is torture", Attorney General Eric "Peanut-head" Holder tried his best to make that equation work and failed.

"As a matter of law, CIA waterboarding — like the same waterboarding actions featured in Navy SEALs training — cannot be torture because there is no intention to inflict severe mental or physical pain; the exercise is done for a different purpose. When Rep. (Louie) Gohmert’s questioning made it crystal clear that Holder’s simplistic "waterboarding is torture" pronouncement was wrong, the attorney general — rather than admitting error — tried to change the legal definition of torture in a manner that contradicted a position the Justice Department had just urged on the federal courts. It seems that, for this attorney general, there is one torture standard for Bush administration officials, and another one for everybody else."


Navy SEALS are waterboarded as part of their training, not to inflict harm and suffering. Waterboarding Sheikh Kalid was not done to inflict harm and suffering, but to extract information.

Remember libs, out of 500 Gitmo jumpsuit vacationers, only 3 were waterboarded for the sole purpose of gaining intel.

Some of you said it yourselves: Mancow (and now Olbyloon) embraced waterboarding as a rating stunt. The inevitable suffering--but no permanent harm--from being waterboarded was not the point, the media circus and ratings were.

That was very good. Double upvote if I could.

Also, I'm a poet and don't even know it.

>> ^quantumushroom:
For all you libs that still think "waterboarding is torture", Attorney General Eric "Peanut-head" Holder tried his best to make that equation work and failed.
"As a matter of law, CIA waterboarding — like the same waterboarding actions featured in Navy SEALs training — cannot be torture because there is no intention to inflict severe mental or physical pain; the exercise is done for a different purpose. When Rep. (Louie) Gohmert’s questioning made it crystal clear that Holder’s simplistic "waterboarding is torture" pronouncement was wrong, the attorney general — rather than admitting error — tried to change the legal definition of torture in a manner that contradicted a position the Justice Department had just urged on the federal courts. It seems that, for this attorney general, there is one torture standard for Bush administration officials, and another one for everybody else."

Navy SEALS are waterboarded as part of their training, not to inflict harm and suffering. Waterboarding Sheikh Kalid was not done to inflict harm and suffering, but to extract information.
Remember libs, out of 500 Gitmo jumpsuit vacationers, only 3 were waterboarded for the sole purpose of gaining intel.
Some of you said it yourselves: Mancow (and now Olbyloon) embraced waterboarding as a rating stunt. The inevitable suffering--but no permanent harm--from being waterboarded was not the point, the media circus and ratings were.


Umm so its not torture if the intent is not to cause suffering?

Like I really need to say this again, but you're an idiot.

Torture
Main Entry:
1tor·ture
Pronunciation:
\ˈtȯr-chər\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle French, from Old French, from Late Latin tortura, from Latin tortus, past participle of torquēre to twist; probably akin to Old High German drāhsil turner, Greek atraktos spindle
Date:
1540
1 a: anguish of body or mind : agony b: something that causes agony or pain
2: the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure
3: distortion or overrefinement of a meaning or an argument : straining

From: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/torture

Waterboarding is torture, by its very definition. Waterboarding is an act that causes agony to acquire information.

I can only hope that if the US does not prosecute the former administration for war crimes, that another country does.

>> ^quantumushroom:
"As a matter of law, CIA waterboarding — like the same waterboarding actions featured in Navy SEALs training — cannot be torture because there is no intention to inflict severe mental or physical pain; the exercise is done for a different purpose.

Jesus Christ this is dumb. Of course there is intent: those guys didn't accidentally get waterboarded...
Unless your interpretation is "inflicting severe mental or physical pain is legal as long as you intend well," in which case...
Jesus Christ this is evil.