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He even recognizes the importance of language preservation and education. If those are his ideas that he's pushing, then good on him. If he's just got some smart people working for him, then even better.
Great clip.
Here here
This was in 1996. Still a lot to work on...
On an unrelated topic, this is not exactly a hot topic and most voters won't care about it. Those who do will like this message, I'm sure. I also want to say I mean no disrespect with my views, it's just what experience has taught me.
You hear Barrack talking in depth about his plans for Native American tribes and his goals while in office. While you of course have to take everything with a grain of salt, at least he goes into detail.
Then you hear the other guy saying 'I know what it's like in the west. I know about the water and the earth my friends. I know these things.'
Is it any wonder?
Wait wasn't 700 billion dollars granted to bail out failing banks, won't taxes go up from here on and Won't the next President have less money to fund any new programs?
On paper, the government has a chance of actually making money on the deal. In reality, it won't, but it won't be as bad as people think. Paying for the wars will be worse.
Here's a man who is trying to win votes and can't even solve his own problems. Go to youtube and check out a man named Philip J. Berg, Esquire, [Berg is a former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania; former candidate for Governor and U.S. Senate in Democratic Primaries; former Chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery County; former member of Democratic State Committee; an attorney with offices in Montgomery County, PA and an active practice in Philadelphia, PA.
Beyond that... the democratic candidate is in favor of putting a hold on development of agricultural lands and production, natural resource developments, extractions and implementation and a so called reduction on the "US's importation of foreign gas and oil"?? Anyone who looks at the statistics can see for themselves that the largest exporter to the US on oil and gas is Alberta, Canada... so what's going to happen to all those employed in Alberta if he puts a "pause" to it so he can re-evaluate and lean more towards "middle eastern oils" because they are "cheaper", or has he already made promises he's not sure he can keep to other foreign leaders?
What about Crow Agency, Montana wanting to develop their own coal mine and profit from their mineral rights to improve education, healthcare and tribal lands?...
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From: An American Indian Female Who worked her ass off for scholarships and has her Bacherlors of Science in Agriculture and Natural Resouces. I'd rather write the name JOE WURZELBACHER or JOHN MCCAIN in on my ballot than OBAMA HUSSEIN BARACK
Looks like Obama has already appointed an American Indian Advisor. Here is a video of her addressing Health Care for American Indians.
Burdturgler, I had no idea you were Indian. Good stuff.
But, I look really white. Cracker white. Drywall white. I can tan like the dickens, but then it just turns back to pale honkey white as fast as the day is short.
The life on reservations is no picnic. My gf's nephews and her sister-in-law live on a Canadian reservation, and it's abject poverty. It's not that they don't have money, it's that they tend to value education as a lower priority and alcoholism and drug abuse is rampant. Theft is huge up there, too. None of her nephews can have nice things without them being stolen. Also, with the alcoholism and drug use there's a decent amount of violence. Also, the Canadians around the reservations tend to treat the Native Americans as lesser beings. My gf, who is American and part white and black and East Indian and everything else under the sun (but mostly Native American), experienced the Canadian racism first hand. Most of the local white vendors would be extremely rude to her because they assumed she was from the local tribe.
Now comes the part where I put my Libertarian hat on and sound like a complete racist. I disagree with reparations or any special funding given to the Native Americans by tax dollars. Hey, at least I'm consistent. The reason I believe this is because none of the people paying into the taxes are responsible for running the Natives off their land. It would make as much sense as us holding the entire Democratic party responsible for paying reparations because their party founder signed the Indian Removal Act which lead to the Trail of Tears (fact!). NetRunner had nothing to do with his party's racist founder, so it wouldn't be fair to blame NetRunner, right?
In order to make amends the people directly victimized and the people directly responsible for victimizing them would need to be held accountable. But, they're all dead. Now, let the comment downvotes begin.
I didn't cause the hurricanes, or floods, or fires, but my tax-dollars are being spent to put roof's over heads that I shouldn't be responsible for.
Following this to its logical conclusion, why do you pay any taxes at all? Most of what you put into the system it is not spent directly on you, so why put any money in? Seems like your liber-topia would be a derelict oil-rig, 2+ miles off the coast, outside of any gov. jurisdiction. Then you can finally be free!
Also, the Canadians around the reservations tend to treat the Native Americans as lesser beings. My gf, who is American and part white and black and East Indian and everything else under the sun (but mostly Native American), experienced the Canadian racism first hand. Most of the local white vendors would be extremely rude to her because they assumed she was from the local tribe.
Which province? If it's Quebec, you have to remember that they treat everybody like that. Furthermore, Quebeccers aren't Canadian, they're French-Canadian. The second part doesn't really apply at street level. I'm in British Columbia, but none of us claim to be British (those who aren't born in Britain, that is).
Why wouldn't they accept you? Was it because you were not on the Dawes Roll?: http://law.bepress.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=7231&context=expresso
@payback. It's not Quebec. I'm pretty sure their tribal band is near Edmonton, Alberta Canada.
@KnivesOut. You're so smart. You have a firm grasp on "logical" things. I marvel at your mental prowess. Reparations for dead people is EXACTLY like disaster relief for the living. You nailed it. Bravo.
NetRunner had nothing to do with his party's racist founder, so it wouldn't be fair to blame NetRunner, right?
In order to make amends the people directly victimized and the people directly responsible for victimizing them would need to be held accountable. But, they're all dead.
It's true, I had nothing to do with Jefferson's orders to remove many of the Native Americans in the Louisiana Purchase, or his owning slaves, or any of that stuff.
But it doesn't mean that the damage done to Native Americans ended when the people who perpetrated genocide died. It doesn't mean that there isn't an obligation for the culture that descended from the one that perpetrated the wrongdoing has no moral imperative to attempt to make some sort of effort to make restitution to the descendants of the culture that was so savaged.
Maybe if there was never a transfer of wealth or the benefits thereof from parent to child, your idea would make sense. In that scenario, the slate truly would be wiped clean when one generation gives way to the next. That's not how things work, though.
Damage like that tends to stick. It can last for generations, especially if racial discrimination places limits on your opportunities across a long span of time.
But it doesn't mean that the damage done to Native Americans ended when the people who perpetrated genocide died. It doesn't mean that there isn't an obligation for the culture that descended from the one that perpetrated the wrongdoing has no moral imperative to attempt to make some sort of effort to make restitution to the descendants of the culture that was so savaged.
Maybe if there was never a transfer of wealth or the benefits thereof from parent to child, your idea would make sense. In that scenario, the slate truly would be wiped clean when one generation gives way to the next. That's not how things work, though.
You're effectively saying you should be responsible for your father's actions. If he murdered someone, should you also be held accountable for his crime? No. I'm sure the murder victim's family still feel the damage of that incident, even if your father passed away directly after it.
One man cannot be held accountable for another man's wrongdoings. It's insanity to propose otherwise.
The transfer of wealth (or rather the inheritance of an estate) is an interesting conundrum. I think the money (or portion of the estate) directly owed a victim should be paid before an estate can be inherited. That's the current system for money owed to a bank or any loans. Let's say your father owed money to a bank. Would it be fair for the bank to go out of business and the owner of that bank open an entirely new bank and still lay claim to the loans of your father from the previous bank? I don't believe so.
There were great atrocities done to minorities in this country. All done by dead men to dead men. Those directly affected are dead. There's no one to be held accountable. And certainly the entire nation shouldn't have to pay for the crimes of men generations ago.
However, too-bad-so-sad is not an acceptable response. When you say those directly affected are dead, you completely ignore the impacts felt today. "The life on reservations is no picnic. My gf's nephews and her sister-in-law live on a Canadian reservation, and it's abject poverty." This is completely true - is it because Indians are unable to operate and function in today's world? Or is it at least partly a result of what was done to their ancestors?
blankfist - do you support Israel's right to exist? Even if it means the land Israel currently exists on was taken form the Palestinians? Some say it's ok because the land once belonged to the jews. What's your take on these things? Do you see the parallel?
Pay up, or give us our land back. Simple and plain.
Generations of people come and go, and I don't think one generation should be slave to another of the past - and certainly they shouldn't be slave to their ancestors' past mistakes. Therefore, I certainly do not think Israel has a right to their land today, and I think the US is terribly wrong for supporting them.
War is wrong and immoral, but it's also a natural way of things for our species. One day the USA and Canada will no longer exist, and should those future inhabitants born into that new Nation be held accountable to reinstate our sovereignty? I think not. You cannot help where you are born. Each generation should be held unaccountable.
Hey Blankfist, let's watch the personal attacks.
Disaster relief does relate, because we're talking about people who have been put into a disadvantaged position through no fault of their own. Maybe it was our ancestors, maybe it was god, but something has happened that's now holding these people back from reaching their potential, and as a civilized society, we should help them.
But I totally agree with you, we shouldn't give any money to dead people. We should give it to their living ancestors.
YOU ARE SO SMART.
I'm a white guy, but I have enough Cherokee in me (...)
And don't we all know exactly where in you this Cherokee part is?
^Gay.
Hey Blankfist, lets watch the personal attacks.