Anti-abortion movements render women to second-class status.

Conservatives dig that kind of thing.

>> ^rougy:
Anti-abortion movements render women to second-class status.
Conservatives dig that kind of thing.


Abortion renders 500,000 women dead every year.

Who would dig a thing like that?

>> ^dbarry3:

Abortion renders 500,000 women dead every year.
Who would dig a thing like that?


"Worldwide, there are 19 million unsafe abortions a year, and they kill 70,000 women (accounting for 13 percent of maternal deaths), mostly in poor countries like Tanzania where abortion is illegal, according to the World Health Organization."

>> ^dbarry3:
>> ^rougy:
Abortion renders 500,000 women dead every year.
Who would dig a thing like that?


^Complete and utter BS strawman comment, that. But I guess you'll like this one:

Marriage renders 2 000 000 women dead every year. Who would dig a thing like that?

I find it interesting how the socio-econic status of families has changed in north America generationally. A hundred years ago the more children you had resulted in the more children to take care of you therefore a better quality of life. As there are more people to work the land for you in a rural environment.

But today having more children means more education to pay for to succeed and therefore the more children you have the lesser the quality of life economically. The moving from a rural environment to an urban one (as states as a whole) turned that socio-economic pressure completely in reverse. From it being most beneficial to have more children to being more beneficial to have less.

That generational social factor should be considered in respect to abortion.

The changing social dynamics of our culture has made it necessary for women to have a choice of when or if to have children.

Bacon renders 250,000 cheeseburgers delicious every year.

I dig that.

>> ^ponceleon:
Bacon renders 250,000 cheeseburgers delicious every year.
I dig that.

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>> ^ponceleon:
Bacon renders 250,000 cheeseburgers delicious every year.
I dig that.


Brilliant comment, ponceleon! That made me laugh

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>> ^EDD:
>> ^dbarry3:
>> ^rougy:
Abortion renders 500,000 women dead every year.
Who would dig a thing like that?

^Complete and utter BS strawman comment, that. But I guess you'll like this one:
Marriage renders 2 000 000 women dead every year. Who would dig a thing like that?


EDD, Sorry, I don't really understand your comment. Could you clarify? Are you talking about domestic violence? If so estimates are closer to 1,300 deaths for women due to domestic violence. Not 2,000,000. (http://www.abanet.org/domviol/statistics.html)

In regards to my statement being a "BS Strawman comment" I would also appreciate further clarification. The rational behind my statement was that in 2005 there were 1.21 million abortions in the US (http://www.guttmacher.org/sections/abortion.php?scope=U.S.%20specific). If you figure half of those people were female that equals roughly 500,000 women in one year, just in the US.
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>> ^lesserfool:
>> ^dbarry3:
Abortion renders 500,000 women dead every year.
Who would dig a thing like that?

"Worldwide, there are 19 million unsafe abortions a year, and they kill 70,000 women (accounting for 13 percent of maternal deaths), mostly in poor countries like Tanzania where abortion is illegal, according to the World Health Organization."


Lesserfool, you're right in posting this. This is a tragic statistic and it sucks. It just does. That so many tens of thousands of women die each year from this procedure. But look at the other number stated in this fact: 19 million. That's the death of 19,000,000 that subsequently also resulted in the death of 70,000. Why do we value life that's represented by one statistic and not the other?

When does the value for life begin?

When does the value for life begin?

When enough people die to worry about the future of our species.

I hate groupthink, it's always A vs B polarized stupidity. I've seen the pictures of babies in utero. I've bothered to notice all the people born in the second trimester living full lives. I've watched my own daughter on an ultrasound at 8 weeks old, with arms and legs wiggling and heart beating.

You're being stupid if you don't think those are human lives. Sorry, might be rude to say it, but that's how i see it. Close-minded, unthinking, willfully ignorant, etc. Believing life starts at birth might have been arguable 30 years ago when most people had never seen an ultrasound and we didn't have the medicine to support preemies that we do now. But that's just ignorant, unscientific and, frankly, heartless to still claim that.

So drop the stupid lines about women's rights and devaluing women. I've never met a pro-lifer who was pro-life for that reason. If you honestly think that's the motive, then again, you are being willfully ignorant and close-minded.

And those on the pro-life side, it'd be nice if you'd drop the "all or nothing" arrogance. Not everyone shares your theology. So legislating based on that isn't very reasonable. Wouldn't it be wiser to find an argument that should carry weight with the vast majority? How's this: allow abortions up to the point when brain waves can be detected. Fund some studies on that, get some science behind it. Allow people the choice for 2-3 months. That's plenty of time for women to become aware and do something about it.

And pro-choicers, get a clue and stop denying the humanity of the unborn. It's a losing battle. The pro-life viewpoint has been gaining in popularity for decades not because of religious ideology (which has been declining afaict), but because you're wrong. Consciousness, humanity, whatever you want to call it that makes us us doesn't start at birth. And more people get the chance to see that all the time. You can't hide that information from them forever.

Drop the all or nothing, folks.