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This is an exerpt from the Beyond Belief discussion, which I believe has been linked elsewhere. Quite large downloads (roughly 200meg each), but is recommended viewing!
I think this pretty much counts as a dupe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YotBtibsuh0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Weu7Rh6dYrM
or maybe the full talk: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-102519600994873365