NYPD Ravages Cyclist in Time Square
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Now they have the law behind them and they are still up to their power trips.
I dont know much about NY law but I guess in most places, short of the cyclist having committed a violent crime, that was an assault, and could result in dismissal.
"Respect-My-Authority!"
Unfortunately for the assaulter, it was in Times Square, America's tourist Mecca, where every third hand grasps a digital camera to soak up the visual violence.
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I was going to make a joke that the biker tried to run down the officer, so the officer was acting in self-defense, but it seems like the officer beat me to it!
How I would love to ravage these tough guys in court and leave them in the fetal position in the corner of the court room while the Judge screams "Order in the court!" and the jury laughs at his pink polka dotted underpants.
>> ^chilaxe:
I was going to make a joke that the biker tried to run down the officer, so the officer was acting in self-defense, but it seems like the officer beat me to it!
Now speaking from my own experience here in LA there are 2 main bike groups that once a week shut down major streets of Hollywood with hundreds of bikes. I believe one of them calls themselves Critical Mass as well. Now I have personally seen them YES send a biker into the street (doesnt matter if its green light or red light) and sit in the lanes making sure all the other bikers get through and stay together. This action doesnt change due to red lights or turn arrow or even walk signs, no. So yes they do break the law and sit in the lanes obstruct traffic by using their bodies. It pisses everyone off, could really hurt someone, and cripples traffic for a good chunk of the night.
Am i saying the biker deserved that, no and that cop better get whats coming to him, but do the bikers break the law (and know it), yes so the group hopefully wont try to totally milk the whole innocent victim routine.
So the cop gave a false account. At the very least the cop should be charged with filing a false report.
Obviously shooting into a crowd of protesters is wrong like at Kent state... but every once and awhile, you gotta expect a little bit of tear gas, after all what's the fun in doing something that's not technically legal, if it's not a little bit dangerous too. So pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and if you got a scar... well thanks for playing.
For a little more info on Critical Mass
1) How could that moron cop not realize SOMEONE would get him on tape?
2) The entire internets always assumes that because they see a video of a bad cop, the rest of them are just as bad and corrupt.
That's not the case. You only see bad cop videos because Mr. Polite officer doing his job properly just isn't interesting.
3) This asshole just makes it harder for everyone else to do their job.
Hmmm... Some logic clearly dismisses all logic.
The whole US Police force seems to be made up of the bullies everyone ran from in high school.
Now they have the law behind them and they are still up to their power trips.
In my experience, the problem officers are the ones that spent high school unsure of themselves or had Napoleon complexes. They couldn't convince their peers to respect them on an even playing field, so as adults they assume the automatic respect conferred by their profession.
Nah i also go with the "policeman is a prick" theory.
Try pushing a policeman off his bike and then claiming it was self defence, see how far you get.
And by the way they are not "blocking traffic"... they ARE the fucking traffic, morons.
Since some of the critical mass people are known for baiting cops, it could be that the cop was responding to something off camera - e.g. the rider throwing something or hitting an off-camera cop - since the first rule is NEVER let anyone who assaults or insults the police get away. That's one of the reasons NY today is safer then it was 15 years ago...
On the other hand, a lot of those cops are sadistic assholes (unlike most beat cops).
In either case, don't expect the truth to come out at court - everybody is too well practiced for it to happen. Instead, just assume that a regular risk of protesting in NYC is broken bones and arrest.
If that was true, those things would have been part of the complaint filed against the cyclist along with the made-up charges. The entire complaint was false. Even the part about obstructing traffic couldn't be true -- the cop is only looking in that direction for 5 seconds before he singles out the cyclist. Nothing you can do for 5 seconds, among a group of parked cars, can be obstructing traffic.
>> ^pmkierst:
I think the Marine makes a really good point. And, it gets worse. The bad cops incite the public into anger against them, even further making into an us-vrs-them situation, and making the police even more insular. From what I have observed, that attitude (us vrs them) is getting steadily worse and worse in the police forces, and this kind of stuff just makes it all the worse. Unfortunately, they are hesitant to take very firm action to get rid of the idiots (for some good and not so good reasons) and the cycle goes on (or not, as the case may be....)
100 + cycles going through an intersection takes a LOT longer than five seconds, so yes, it is obstructing traffic.
i prefer the word "redefining".
He got PWND pretty bad, but it was little more than a hearty shove. Looks to me like he had a bunch of soft, squishy onlookers to fall on.
Am I the only person here who knows what RAVAGE means? How has this cop caused wholesale destruction and devastation to the countryside around this bicyclist?
He got PWND pretty bad, but it was little more than a hearty shove. Looks to me like he had a bunch of soft, squishy onlookers to fall on.
Main Entry: 1rav·age
Pronunciation: \ˈra-vij\
Function: noun
Etymology: French, from Middle French, from ravir to ravish — more at ravish
Date: circa 1611
1 : an act or practice of ravaging
2 : damage resulting from ravaging : violently destructive effect <the ravages of time>
Main Entry: 2ravage
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): rav·aged; rav·ag·ing
Date: circa 1611
transitive verb
: to wreak havoc on : affect destructively
intransitive verb
: to commit destructive actions
— rav·age·ment \-vij-mənt\ noun
— rav·ag·er noun
Yeah stripping him of his gun and badge is good though he still has a job and is getting payed. If you watch the CBS news story about it the officer claims that the cyclist was stopping traffic which the bikers claim is impossible.
Now speaking from my own experience here in LA there are 2 main bike groups that once a week shut down major streets of Hollywood with hundreds of bikes. I believe one of them calls themselves Critical Mass as well. Now I have personally seen them YES send a biker into the street (doesnt matter if its green light or red light) and sit in the lanes making sure all the other bikers get through and stay together. This action doesnt change due to red lights or turn arrow or even walk signs, no. So yes they do break the law and sit in the lanes obstruct traffic by using their bodies. It pisses everyone off, could really hurt someone, and cripples traffic for a good chunk of the night.
Am i saying the biker deserved that, no and that cop better get whats coming to him, but do the bikers break the law (and know it), yes so the group hopefully wont try to totally milk the whole innocent victim routine.
Can you point me to the new york statute that forbids the assembly of a protest group in a public road, the illegality of the individuals actions, as well as the constitutional basis for such a law? Can you also point me to the statute which enables the officer to utilize the amount of force displayed in the enforcement of said law?
-->100th upvote.
I'm seriously starting to think Olbermann (or his staff) are frequent visitors to Videosift. Usually his "Oddball" segment is entirely comprised of vids that can be found here, but tonight this was part of his worst person segment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsJstdZEJh0
Agreed.
Well I'm going to complete the cycle by sifting his video up.
http://www.videosift.com/video/New-York-Cop-Patrick-Pogan-Worst-person-in-the-World
>> ^imstellar28:
Yeah sure you have the right to voice your opinion. But no matter how legit your greviance is, that doesn't give you the right to mess around with other innocent people. I am not the cause of your present predicament and if you want to inconveince me without my consent then fuck you. You are acting like a spoiled brat whose motto is: "if I'm not happy then no one else should be". And people like that deserve to get some manners beaten into them.
Can you point me to the new york statute that forbids the assembly of a protest group in a public road, the illegality of the individuals actions, as well as the constitutional basis for such a law?
>> ^imstellar28:
Yeah sure you have the right to voice your opinion. But no matter how legit your greviance is, that doesn't give you the right to mess around with other innocent people. I am not the cause of your present predicament and if you want to inconveince me without my consent then fuck you. You are acting like a spoiled brat whose motto is: "if I'm not happy then no one else should be". And people like that deserve to get some manners beaten into them.
How in posing a question did I express an opinion or grievance? There are several issues being discussed by posters, of which I brought up two: 1. was the bicyclist acting legally 2. was the amount of force appropriate in the circumstance. Several posters seem to have concluded the biker was acting illegally, and I was merely inquiring as to what information they were basing this assessment on.
You, for example, appear to believe the bicyclists are somehow infringing on the other motorists rights--can you explain how?
1. bicyclists can legally ride on public roads, except where posted (i.e. freeways)
2. a bicyclist can advance through a red light if they come to a complete stop first
3. the right to assemble is a constitutionally protected right
Imagine if instead of those 200 bicycles riding around, they decided to protest by having each member put their bicycle on a bike rack and drive around in their car instead--what would the traffic look like with 200 cars on that same road? Which would be more of an inconvenience for the other motorists? What if instead of riding their bikes at all, they did this every single day?
Your personal feelings towards bicycles, traffic, or protests have no bearing on the legality or morality of the situation--nor do they have any place in a rational discussion.
Stupid wimpy bicyclist. They do not know there are laws and they can not block traffic when they go through lights and have their buddies stop cross traffic which the do everywhere.
... I am not the cause of your present predicament and if you want to inconveince me without my consent then fuck you.
Then I'm sure you won't might when someone fucks you because they feel inconvenienced by you. Maybe someone will post a video of the beating.
"What’s the Law?
Many cops don’t even know the law. How many times were you pulled over for
something that you swore that the cop made up? Know the law, and you will
have power. This information is from Transportation Alternatives/
Rights and Responsibilities
You must obey traffic laws. Every bicyclist and in-line skater has the same
rights and is subject to the same duties as a driver of a vehicle, with certain
exceptions. (NYS 1231)
Where to Ride
Ride in the bike lane if provided, except for safety, turns, etc. (NYC 4-12, p)
On a wide one-way roadway, ride on either side. (NYC 4-12, p)
Ride on the right side of the roadway, with above exceptions. (NYS 1234)
Where Not to Ride
Don’t ride on the sidewalk unless you are twelve years old or younger. (NYC 4-
07, c)
If you ride on the sidewalk, your bike can be confiscated. (NYC Admin Code
19-176)
Don’t ride on expressways, highways, interstates or thruways unless authorized
by signs. (NYC 4-12, o)
How to Ride - How Not to Ride
Don’t hitch your bike or cling to any other vehicle on the roadway. (No skitching.)
(NYS 1233)
Don’t ride more than two abreast. Ride single file when being passed. (NYS
1234)
Use hand and arm signals to indicate turns and stops. (NYS 1237)
If you’re carrying packages, keep at least one hand on handlebar. (NYS 1235)
Don’t ride friends on the handlebars or seat. Carry only the number of persons
for which your bike is designed. (NYS 1232)
Ride with your feet on the pedals. (NYS 1232)"
For the record, I agree that the use of force here was excessive and unlawful and just plain disgusting. So onto the legalities! I can't see how biking en masse in this manner, especially on what appears to be a multiple lane one-way road, is technically legal due to the above. Can someone also explain how this falls under freedom of assembly? Disrupting traffic and ignoring cyclist laws, possibly causing collisions with other drivers and or/other pedestrians, somewhat negates the "whole assemble peaceably and in an orderly manner" under which any other protest would have to abide by. If I'm misinformed in my attempt at ascertaining the situation on a subject I have literally zero experience but am interested in, please inform me. In no way am I defending Captain McClusky's actions.
The issue has got me thinking about my own state's laws on cycling. Should I ever need to know.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/YouTube_video_exposes_cop_who_attempted_0730.html
Omg...I can't believe someone hasn't pointed out the above comment, while subtle, is THE funniest post in this entire comment thread.
As for judging the cop, walk a mile in their shoes then come back here and bitch. Until then, appreciate that someone will do a job; that 98% of the general population won't do; for next to nothing in pay and then have every action they take examined under a microscope on a daily basis.
If you want to ride a bike everywhere, then just do it. No need to stage a 'protest' parade/demonstration unless your just a pretentious prick who wants to think you are changing the world by putting on $100 biker shorts and zipping along on your $1000 bicycle and sipping your $4 bottled water.
We're not judging all who have worn a badge throughout history; we're judging one person who decided that shoving someone off their bike was an appropriate action. The act of being a police officer is not a crime, but the act of potentially harming someone who is not an imminent threat to your personal well-being IS a crime. And it doesn't matter if someone is wearing a uniform or not. Criminality is found in the mind, not in the clothing.
the force used here by the officer was excessive and totally ineffective at solving the "problem", in fact I bet $1000 that the next critical mass is an even bigger "illegal annoyance" to other road users, because of this video. People riding bikes do not pose a threat to anybody's life. Traffic from private cars, however, DOES.
one thing you're all forgetting is that a big aim of the protest is to reprioritise the roads in favour of pedestrians and cyclists, and improve public transport to get cars off the road. if you think that's a bad thing then good luck with your diabetes and asthma.
Fuck cars. You moan about bikes blocking the road for an hour but you say nothing about the insane amount of horrible death that results from cars.
The level of force used was disproportionate and inappropriate. There was no order to stop and the cyclist did not represent a threat (hell, my neighbours 4 year old manages to go faster than that guy on her trike...).
And because the dumbass was stupid enough to get caught on camera and then lie on a report, chances are if this doesn't quiet down (and I don't see protest groups and civil liberties mobs letting it die down) he will probably be punted to save face more than to punish him (whether he serves time for assault is another matter).
The cyclist was acting illegally and may be charged, or not, depending on how embarrassing this gets for the NYPD.
What are you basing this assessment on? There is no evidence in that video that the cyclist is acting in an illegal manner. Do you have other evidence we have not seen? From the video it is apparent the traffic signal is indicating red--but there is no indication as to where the bicyclist originated from (a sidewalk, a side street, or the roadway) or whether he stopped at the traffic signal before preceding (as he is legally permitted by law).
Furthermore, the question could be raised as to whether the NYPD was acting legally (excessive force aside), as they may have legal obligations to control or direct the flow of traffic during an assembly, protest, or parade.