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How dare you question his undisclosed (and apparently undisclosable) efforts to keep me safe?!?
Are you all really that afraid of your own shadow? And how, again, does that justify rounding up innocent civilians and torturing them, sometimes to death. These are already established facts, not subject to debate.
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Pidgeonhole me as you may, if you are an a US-American citizen and cannot unequivocally state that torture is wrong, I'll be honest (and incendiary) and suggest your morals need serious readjusting. Look at yourself again and try to remember the country you grew up in. Do you really want to bury it?
My *god* that man makes me angry.
(And kadampa1, it's not the rights of the quote bloodthirsty terrorists unquote you ought to be concerned about: it's your own. Government breaking its own rules, that starts to become a habit.
Where's Senator McCain when you need him.
I imagine he might have something interesting to say about torturing in the name of US citizens.
... except he's probably going to take another run at the presidency, and would likely just toe the party line.
sfjocko, back to the subject at hand. we are not talking about rounding up innocent poeople. we are talking about one of the guys who admittedly helped plan 9/11. yes i think its alright to torture him. i think it would be alright to do much more than scare him by making him feel like he is drowning. so there you can feel free to feel morally superior. that's another thing about you apologists for the rights of terrorists. on one hand you want to come up with reasons our culture is not morally superior to the ones that produce these nuts, but you waste no time making yourselves out to be superior to westerners who don't share your political views. it's really not even worth talking to you guys, i just do it occasionally when i'm bored.
We have arrested and tortured, in some cases killed, hundreds of innocent people, if not thousands. That does not rest easy with me kadampa. You can play puerile games and talking nonsense about islamic fascists all you want, I cannot. You can talk about us torturing only one person all you want. I am an adult, and I deal with the real world. And I feel responsibility for what my country does. We are torturing and killing innocent people. The facts are indesputable. You want to justify that, go right ahead. I have a problem with it, especially when it's done in my name.
Yes, finally, in Bush's America you can have open discussions on the virtues of torture. I had hoped we'd evolved as a society beyond animalistic retribution against anyone who looks like our phantom enemy. Ahh, but I forget we have a president who does not believe in evolution.
But please don't pretend this is just a matter of differing political views. This goes beyond politics, to ethics. Want to hide behind 911 as justification for torture and murder of civilians? Go ahead, it's all you've got. But I think I'll stay here in the real world, where murders don't cancel each other out.
And please, who here advocated special rights for terrorists? Nobody. Like Bush's strawman arguments, or your lamebrained reference to "islamic fascists", you mouth the words you hear, but they do not jibe with reality. Which, by the way, exists.
Oh, and if you advocate torture, yes, I do consider you my moral inferior. It does not make me happy, and I have pity for you and your delusional views. It is wrong. It is not debatable. It is wrong. Blows my mind that in Bush's America there are people who actually advocate it. The country in which I was born may well be dead.