I don't know guys. I simply can't stand it when those niggly people slobber all over my 750Li when I'm trying to get home from the course. Free meals just invite more of them.
Clearly he's a hardened criminal that deserves to be punished. I mean really. FEEDING people that need food? What a scumbag! They should give him the CHAIR!!
Interesting - I got threatened with arrest for the *exact* same thing a couple of weeks ago. I questioned the cops as to which law they thought they were enforcing, made a note of their badge numbers, then reported them to their sergeant the following morning.
The sergeant confirmed that of course I wasn't breaking any law or statute, and looked quite alarmed when I told him the cops lied to me under corporate liability which was fraud.
Luckily for me I had been studying the common law and my rights on TPUC.org since last year. If you don't know the common law the cops will OWN you using all manner of statute and commercial contract law.
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oh also, this *looks* like gainesville, fl edit: nevermind it clearly says orlando. duh! my friend was handcuffed (and then subsequently let go after an intellectual tussle) there for standing in a public parking lot near his truck watching the cops harrass a kid on a bike. THEY TRIED TO ARREST HIM FOR STANDING NEAR HIS OWN TRUCK IN A PARKING LOT!
I swear to god sometimes I fucking hate this country.
Police wonder why people view them negatively sometimes, this is why.
If Police ever wanted to improve their image, they'd stop giving out speeding tickets and start pulling people over for:
Tailgating Cutting in Line when stuck in traffic People who run their high beams all the time
I know a law is a law and breaking the speed limit is breaking the law, but Police obviously choose somehow which laws to enforce and which ones not too. I have had cops right next to me and they don't pull the guy who is less than 1 car length behind me over for tailgating.
Why do I watch these videos? Every time I watch a video where police are violating peoples civil rights, or enforcing morally deficient and petty laws at the expense of doing good, it makes my blood boil. It honestly makes me want to go get a gun, and start randomly gunning down police officers. I know that these ignorant and power crazed police only make up a small percentage of law enforcement as a whole, but they're never held accountable for anything they do. I have completely lost faith in the police in this country, and thats sad. We're supposed to look to them for help, support, and safety. Instead we fear them for their brutality and lack of caring, and hate them for their seemingly random distribution of "justice".
And I'd like to point out, I am a law abiding citizen. I don't do drugs, drink, anything like that. Hell I don't even speed. But yet every time I see a cop, I wonder what he's going to harass me for. It's time America does something about the state of law enforcement in this country.
I know I kinda went off topic and ranted there for a bit. Been a long week and that just set me off.
Beggars and homeless people are not around because we give them stuff; they are the victims of the harsh inequalities of society, often with little fault of their own. If we don't like them "slobbering" all over us, we should do something about the causes for this, not arresting people who give them food out of sympathy. This law is just perverse and evil.
Edit: Removed quote. Sorry about that, didn't see the sarcasm.
Too many of you are focused on the police here. The focus ought to be on that insanely stupid law.
[edit] I've just done a little research and I take back what I said: the ordinance is fairly reasonable. It might need a little tweaking, but it's still reasonable. It only applies to public parks within 2 miles of City Hall and only prevents feeding groups of 25+ people without a permit. The permit is free but only two are available to any person or organization per year.
They just don't want massive numbers of homeless harassing people trying to enjoy time in the park. Feed them somewhere else like a soup kitchen, a church, or see if local businesses will allow use of their property from time to time.
I used to work at a bakery in Portland, OR that threw out enough food every day to feed a family for a week. I used to make little bags of food on my breaks and would pass them out on my way to the bus but when the manager found out, they freaked. Apparently the company was concerned that if someone got sick from our food, they could sue, even if they didn't pay for it. (they were also concerned that it might spread around too much garbage with our company name on it) After that I could only give out food to someone who could provide me with a Federal Tax ID # for a charitable organization.
>> ^xxovercastxx: They just don't want massive numbers of homeless harassing people trying to enjoy time in the park. Feed them somewhere else like a soup kitchen, a church, or see if local businesses will allow use of their property from time to time.
Gathering in public: legal (constitutionally protected) Sharing in public: legal (constitutionally protected) Displaying Social/Economic inequity into public view: legal (constitutionally protected) Eating in public: legal (not apparently contested) -> The ordinance is unconstitutional.
Food-not-bombs is a political tactic designed to both meet a need, and to do in in a way which draws attention to the marginalization of people living in poverty. Doing it in public is THE POINT.
If the city does not like homeless people around they can solve the problems which cause homelessness, and then nobody has to deal with it. To say we all have a moral/legal obligation to make these people invisible by hiding them in non-public places flies in the face of their constitutionally protected rights.
Yeah, well if they wanted to nourish themselves with food they shouldn't have been homeless in the first place. Fuckin' socialists, all of em. If you decide that your life role will to be homeless, you should die, begging on the street, because you obviously don't believe in capitalism, democracy, nor the American way!
First, I agree that doing something positive about the homeless problem would be a much preferred solution. As for the case at hand, however...
If you want to hold a fund raiser at the local park, you need a permit. If you want to host a conference at the local park, you need a permit. If you want to host a concert at the local park, you need a permit. And in Orlando, if you want to have a homeless-feeding party with more than 25 people, you need a permit. Maybe all of these are unconstitutional, I don't know, but I feel it's consistent. The soup-kitchen permit is even free.
The twice-per-year limit, I'm not sure how I feel about. I'd say the limit should be consistent with that of the other permits.
FNB seems to be more interested in making an anti-establishment statement than helping the homeless. If FNB wanted to help, they could help get these people work and shelter. Teach a man to fish, ya know?
>> ^xxovercastxx: If you want to hold a fund raiser at the local park, you need a permit. If you want to host a conference at the local park, you need a permit. If you want to host a concert at the local park, you need a permit.
If you and your friends take instruments to the park and start playing, you don't need a permit, if you want to be the only ones playing, or you want to cordon it off and charge admission, then you need the city to grant you those privileges. FNB is not asking for a special privilege, and therefor does not need a permit.
The problem with the permit rules is fundamentally that they are not intended to be applied uniformly. If you feed more than 25 people at your company picnic, you will not be arrested, and everyone knows it. The target is the "homeless", which is not stated in the legislation, since that would be obviously illegal.
This is a conspiracy between the police and city hall to do something which they know they don't have the right to do, by putting a broad rule on paper, and then enforcing it in a very narrow set of cases.
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This is all a comedy sketch, right? RIGHT?!? Fucking ridiculous.
They probably arrested the guy cuz his actions amount to... SOCIALISM!!! *gasp!*
The sergeant confirmed that of course I wasn't breaking any law or statute, and looked quite alarmed when I told him the cops lied to me under corporate liability which was fraud.
Luckily for me I had been studying the common law and my rights on TPUC.org since last year. If you don't know the common law the cops will OWN you using all manner of statute and commercial contract law.
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there! thats how angry this makes me! im sure have something insightful to say about this. but right now"aksfjnak;lghks;jfnaelkjgnhas;kdfjahskndksgv;naeksrjaw
oh also, this *looks* like gainesville, fl
edit: nevermind it clearly says orlando. duh!
my friend was handcuffed (and then subsequently let go after an intellectual tussle) there for standing in a public parking lot near his truck watching the cops harrass a kid on a bike. THEY TRIED TO ARREST HIM FOR STANDING NEAR HIS OWN TRUCK IN A PARKING LOT!
Police wonder why people view them negatively sometimes, this is why.
If Police ever wanted to improve their image, they'd stop giving out speeding tickets and start pulling people over for:
Tailgating
Cutting in Line when stuck in traffic
People who run their high beams all the time
I know a law is a law and breaking the speed limit is breaking the law, but Police obviously choose somehow which laws to enforce and which ones not too. I have had cops right next to me and they don't pull the guy who is less than 1 car length behind me over for tailgating.
And I'd like to point out, I am a law abiding citizen. I don't do drugs, drink, anything like that. Hell I don't even speed. But yet every time I see a cop, I wonder what he's going to harass me for. It's time America does something about the state of law enforcement in this country.
I know I kinda went off topic and ranted there for a bit. Been a long week and that just set me off.
Are people still voting for team evil?
Edit: Removed quote. Sorry about that, didn't see the sarcasm.
>> ^lavoll:
if you feed them, they will just multiply
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I've just done a little research and I take back what I said: the ordinance is fairly reasonable. It might need a little tweaking, but it's still reasonable. It only applies to public parks within 2 miles of City Hall and only prevents feeding groups of 25+ people without a permit. The permit is free but only two are available to any person or organization per year.
They just don't want massive numbers of homeless harassing people trying to enjoy time in the park. Feed them somewhere else like a soup kitchen, a church, or see if local businesses will allow use of their property from time to time.
http://www.blnz.com/news/2007/02/05/Orlando_homeless_laws_stir_heated_bate.html
Bizarre...
They just don't want massive numbers of homeless harassing people trying to enjoy time in the park. Feed them somewhere else like a soup kitchen, a church, or see if local businesses will allow use of their property from time to time.
Gathering in public: legal (constitutionally protected)
Sharing in public: legal (constitutionally protected)
Displaying Social/Economic inequity into public view: legal (constitutionally protected)
Eating in public: legal (not apparently contested)
-> The ordinance is unconstitutional.
Food-not-bombs is a political tactic designed to both meet a need, and to do in in a way which draws attention to the marginalization of people living in poverty. Doing it in public is THE POINT.
If the city does not like homeless people around they can solve the problems which cause homelessness, and then nobody has to deal with it. To say we all have a moral/legal obligation to make these people invisible by hiding them in non-public places flies in the face of their constitutionally protected rights.
If you want to hold a fund raiser at the local park, you need a permit. If you want to host a conference at the local park, you need a permit. If you want to host a concert at the local park, you need a permit. And in Orlando, if you want to have a homeless-feeding party with more than 25 people, you need a permit. Maybe all of these are unconstitutional, I don't know, but I feel it's consistent. The soup-kitchen permit is even free.
The twice-per-year limit, I'm not sure how I feel about. I'd say the limit should be consistent with that of the other permits.
FNB seems to be more interested in making an anti-establishment statement than helping the homeless. If FNB wanted to help, they could help get these people work and shelter. Teach a man to fish, ya know?
If you want to hold a fund raiser at the local park, you need a permit. If you want to host a conference at the local park, you need a permit. If you want to host a concert at the local park, you need a permit.
If you and your friends take instruments to the park and start playing, you don't need a permit, if you want to be the only ones playing, or you want to cordon it off and charge admission, then you need the city to grant you those privileges. FNB is not asking for a special privilege, and therefor does not need a permit.
The problem with the permit rules is fundamentally that they are not intended to be applied uniformly. If you feed more than 25 people at your company picnic, you will not be arrested, and everyone knows it. The target is the "homeless", which is not stated in the legislation, since that would be obviously illegal.
This is a conspiracy between the police and city hall to do something which they know they don't have the right to do, by putting a broad rule on paper, and then enforcing it in a very narrow set of cases.