Lisbon Treaty - changes to EU constitution "forced" through
tags:The EU Parliament debates the Lisbon Treaty on December 12, 2007. The treay was signed on the December 13, 2007.
Apparently the body of the text was not made available to the the vast majority of the representives before the vote?
(10:33 minutes)(12/12/07)
Apparently the body of the text was not made available to the the vast majority of the representives before the vote?
(10:33 minutes)(12/12/07)








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In some cases it's necessary, in many though its a stark example of the elite pushing through their beliefs about what Europe is and has to be on the recent of the European population.
Only Ireland I believe held a referendum on the Treaty of Lisbon.
It tells you all you need to know about the EU that they are content not to hold referenda in each country. Why bother asking the plebs? Even some Irish politicians are saying the people are too dumb to be asked their opinion.They might not give the answer the pols want...
If 50% of the population votes (as in the U.S.) and you only need 50% to win, then essentially 25% of the populace control the lives of the other 75%. It's good to be in the powerful quarter of the population.
If you believe that only a fraction of the populace is capable of leading and making choices, then how do you solve what fraction that is? I am sure you belong to the capable fraction. As will everyone else in their mind. And since even your intellectual elites have "screwed up a few times", what is the difference between them and the rest? And that is just assuming there are intellectual elites in politics.
The entire idea of a democracy is based on the wisdom of crowds principle. There used to be practical reasons not to have a real democracy but an electoral but those are mostly gone now. What is left is the idea that others (Never yourself) are too stupid so should be managed or at least not interfere. That sounds like arrogance to me.
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