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June 14, 2008
The Tetsushi Yanagida announcer (40) of Television Miyazaki (Miyazaki-shi) which participated as a reporter of the live broadcast program of the television in a game of standing back to back and shoving each other's buttocks meet held in a rice field of Takachiho-cho, Miyazaki fell into the rice field from a head. The Yanagita hole was transported to the hospital of Kumamoto-shi by a helicopter, but is seriously injured by a cervical spine bone fracture and the spinal cord damage. It is said that there is the consciousness.
The Tetsushi Yanagida announcer (40) of Television Miyazaki (Miyazaki-shi) which participated as a reporter of the live broadcast program of the television in a game of standing back to back and shoving each other's buttocks meet held in a rice field of Takachiho-cho, Miyazaki fell into the rice field from a head. The Yanagita hole was transported to the hospital of Kumamoto-shi by a helicopter, but is seriously injured by a cervical spine bone fracture and the spinal cord damage. It is said that there is the consciousness.
This is a flagrant abuse of star power. Agreed?
*discuss
If it was just a discard without other justification it gets more complicated but the above might have been an excuse for it.
stumblingjon, in the future you should probably vote for your own posts when you post them. Everyone else does, nothing at all wrong with it.
Videos get discarded when the net vote count reaches -3.
Other than dupes, why should anyone have the power to discard someone else's video? If there's an abuse of the posting guidelines, it should probably be discussed before discarding just to be sure. What other situation would you need to discard someone's video? I really can't think of any.
Nothing personal choggs.
Nobody has the authority to take it upon themselves to discard a post unless it is a dupe or it is a flagrant disavowal of the rules
Exactly, that's why this *discussion isn't finished yet. Something needs to be done to prevent people from discarding videos willy nilly; whether that's a temp ban or removing the ability to discard other people's videos altogether, I don't know.
we need to set some violation of discard guidelines on the FAQ.
Points 4 and 5 of the Abuse Guidelines already exist to encompass all abuse not explicitly defined since it's a daunting task to define a rule for every potential abuse:
As personally objectionable as you found this video Choggie- we can't afford knee-jerk, emotional discards just because a member doesn't like the content.
Rank has its privileges - but also responsibility. I call for a 2 week ban for Choggie.
That being said, I would accept an "I won't do it again" (although I doubt we'll see that)
@stumblingjon - There's a few differences between this post and the hockey one, the biggest probably being the intent of the post. The hockey incident wasn't posted for laughs. It was an historical sporting event that (I think) changed NHL rules, and included other commentary in the video.
Why create a separate *dupe command? Why not just require * discards that are not self-discards to be seconded to prevent abuse of power? That seems like a fair and easy to implement solution to me.
EDIT:
Also, there are tons of clips on the Sift of people hurting themselves to various degrees either doing stupid things or engaged in accidents. I think most of the anger directed at this clip is not because of the content but because of the way it was presented (as potentially humorous).
I admit that my positioning this post in the comedy section may have not been well thought out, but it was done so as it is a comedy show and i did find it quite funny up until the accident.
I apologise if it was put in the wrong place, but i object to people claiming it has no worth due to its content.
I also believe that only last week, a man having his leg smashed between two bricks while kicking sown a wall was number one on the best list....
Why is my post any less value?
The point being discussed here however, isn't really about the content of this video, but the way it was dealt with by a senior member. Just look above. There are not going to be any sanctions towards you if that's what you thought. Just continue to stay within the rules set in the FAQ with future posts. As you can see that goes for every member, probitionairy or diamond class.
Wincing at how the co-hosts take little notice of their colleagues obvious trouble is any different?
My concern is that everyone's tastes are different. Some people may not like the clip, others will. One person's knee-jerk reaction to a clip should not decide its fate. This is a community, after all; it should be a community decision.
well then, blankfist and I in a corner, cause heeeeeee discarded, myyyy sifttalk post the other day.....
I Covered this already....
http://wildwestshow.videosift.com/talk/Have-Discard-Well-Traveled#comment-439061
so slap the man's hand already ya yeller bellies, choggie needs a spanking!!!..... NOW!!!
I speak for Godlittlebigjee, and I say g'night!!!
See all ya ladies in a couple of weeks....I mean the real ladies of videosift....
*resurrects altersiftego and posts lolcats for a month-
No apologies, the vid sucked, make it go away....
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28568192@N00/2593863572/
I also understand that Choggie's intentions were most likely good in this case. This video is painful to watch.
But it's important in cases where a video does not explicitly fall afoul - of our rules - to let the weight of community decide its fate.
This video would probably have been down voted off the site on its own - and that's the process it should follow.
Choggie -
your absence in this thread is notable, even after I sent you a profile comment requesting your feedback. I recognise your contributions to the Sift - you've given a lot - however ...Consider this an official warning. I hate being official - but there you go ... Fairly warned be thee says I. I'll copy this to your profile. Though I'm pretty sure you've been reading this thread.
i like ot push te red button
THAT SAYS DON'T PUSH!!!]
(shut uuuuup choggie, yer screwing this up...ingrate!!!)
It's been suggested that maybe the discard function is too much power for our members- that's a different discussion but I hope not.
This is a good example of one person's discard abuse being another's site maintenance, but hardly the only one. You're right, lucky, it's impossible to enumerate each possible abuse and penalty. But I think the abuse guidelines in the FAQ are fairly wishy-washy. From one point of view, discarding the vid basically did improve the post for the community (though not only in the way expected). All sorts of edits to a post can be seen from the same points of view, i.e., abusive or helpful. To a certain extent, ad hoc solutions will be necessary, but it seems we use ad hoc solutions more often than not in such instances. Part of that is the open-endedness of the functionality provided. It's very useful, but also easily 'abused' or even mistakenly the cause of havoc.
Semantically separating out the individual purposes of discard into distinct invocations could help provide a better sense of what's acceptable. Spam and selflinks are covered with direct bans already. Dupe, snuff, porn, and similar invocations could each be implemented as seconded or instantaneous effects. Create invocations as necessary when new situations occur often enough.
Again, choggie, nothing personal at all, just trying to stay objective.
To quote ol' stumblingjon above here, "It is said that there is the consciousness."
If something is particularly iffy (borderline snuff or the like) the reset button is * discuss.
If you don't like the content, that sucks for you - you can downvote.
I don't like this video, but I think the handling was poor and foolish.