Isn't the whole point of a gun, to not have to stand close enough to use a knife?

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Rex Kwon Do is a self-defense system developed over two years fighting in the octogon. Break the wrist and walk away.

I like that last one, where he punches the muzzle and injures the shooter's eye; I find it unusually funny.

I understand these are "demonstrational" clips, ie. this is the correct move and/or form you'd want to use in these particular situations. But I want to see clips of when the assailant just doesn't stand there and "take" the demonstration. In other words, if this were real life, the other guy would be fighting tooth and nail to get back control of the gun. Where are those videos? And what moves do you then have prepared if the assailant does this, or that?

I'd like to see what happens when the gun wielder doesn't hold the gun so fucking close or where he doesn't let the hostage hold his hands six fucking inches from the muzzle.

oh no, he took the gun from me, must lay down in pain and give up.

>> ^lavoll:
oh no, he took the gun from me, must lay down in pain and give up.
It's either that or get shot in the face. That gun is ready to fire as soon as its taken away from him. I'd at least let him get close to me and try the same thing, but odds are, that's a mistake he would not make.

First mistake, Letting your captive come within 6 feet of you without having you and your captive covered by another weapon.

I think it adds a lot of atmosphere to this video that the description was written by an 8-year old trying to imitate a Hollywood trailer... "In a world... where guns are close-combat weapons, wielded by clumsy black guys... the hunted... must become... the hunter."

>> ^videosiftbannedme:
I understand these are "demonstrational" clips, ie. this is the correct move and/or form you'd want to use in these particular situations. But I want to see clips of when the assailant just doesn't stand there and "take" the demonstration. In other words, if this were real life, the other guy would be fighting tooth and nail to get back control of the gun. Where are those videos? And what moves do you then have prepared if the assailant does this, or that?


If you can, find clips of this guy: Tony Blauer (http://tonyblauer.com/). Back in the day when mixed martial arts was pretty much unheard of he was advocating realistic training and calling BS on stuff like this. I had a few of his VHS tapes where he showed "attempted" knife and gun disarms. I say attempted because in his vids he always had the guy fight back realistically. He made a point of not having guys just stand there dumbly while he took the weapon. I really liked his training style. My brother and I learned a lot from imitating him by doing simulated knife-disarms (wearing white T-shirts and using red markers to simulate the knife). We mostly learned that chances are high you're going to get cut in the disarm attempt if the opponent fights back. The key is to make sure you're aware of where the blade is and keeping it away from vital organs.

Upvote for the earslap in this vid. I got to feel first-hand how effective it is, especially when both ears are boxed simultaneously.

To all of you^ who are saying something about what the "bad guy" is doing wrong: No one ever said criminals were smart.

HAHA, I love how he needlessly throws the knife at the guy's chest when he's down.

Useless piffle for macho and marketing types. If you really want a chance being unarmed against guns, learn to throw common objects with deadly force and accuracy. Send just three easy payments of $19.95.

It would be interesting to see the man who holds the weapon first (the bad guy) actually try and fire the weapon when he sees that the captive ( the good guy) is attempting to disarm him. A paintball of some sort of course. Just to see how effective he actually is at disarming someone. If the bad guy could actually get one shot off first and at least graze him he might not do so well and completely diarming him. Just a thought... and a very uneducated one at that probably.

>> ^dag:
Rex Kwon Do is a self-defense system developed over two years fighting in the octogon. Break the wrist and walk away.

Good for fighting tyrannosaurus rexes

I love how everyones like "man, if that was real hed have his ass shot", the majority of moves involve lever action of the gun and wrist to twist the barrel far away, and in cases twards the enemy. Also yes, there is a high likely hood it will go off since you are pulling the gun into the trigger finger, dosnt matter, the muzzle isnt pointed at him anymore. Also keep in mind that he is holding the majority of his punches. I'm pretty sure if he full forced those on most any enemy, he would indeed be sprawling on the ground in much pain.

what is it like to hold the barrel of a gun when it is fired?

When that close to your target, your best off firing "from the chest", as in holding the gun in close to you. It's also one of the first reactions the assailant would have, pulling the gun back and away from the bad hostage mans.

What happens when the four terrorists sitting in the beat up Caprice Classic across the street open up with their AK's when they see their friend go down?

What kind of weak shit was that at 0:50! Haha! That wouldn't work. LOL!

Lesson learned? Don't have a chat, just shoot the guy. Lets see how he disarms his assailant with his gray matter splattered across the parking lot.

I see sankyo, yonkyo, nikkyo, and kotegaeshi. These technique work on opponents stupid enough to be in your circle.

They work good on people who are angry uncontrolled and all around not trained attackers.

They do work in barfights, because drunks are easy to give a beating to.

Ill reiterate this, these techniques work, because they have been around since the samurai. The advent of the gun nullified the need to train regularly in this sort of fighting because it keeps your enemy at a distance (Last Samurai). But the same principles behind hand to hand and weapons can be used with firearms.

Haiuchi(mutual destruction - any one speaks Japanese please tell me if that's the right word) still happens even with firearms. The majority of the shootouts that took place in wild west were done up close with hands on gun and tussling.

We could argue all day about this, and we could go this way, that way. But no one in this world can prove to me that they can be sure that they can kick any one's ass in a situation akin to this. We cannot be certain that we will prevail, that is the main reason martial artists say try to run away.

But if the victim will fight them then that person had better fight them with every ounce of life they have in them, because it comes down to life and death.

>> ^arsenault185:
To all of you^ who are saying something about what the "bad guy" is doing wrong: No one ever said criminals were smart.

Let's talk about what the "expert" is doing wrong then. The most important step about a close range gun disarm is to remove yourself from the line of fire. He stands with shoulders squared throughout most of the disarms.

He also moves his hands very slowly toward the gun and then makes a snap-movement. If someone is holding me at gunpoint, I wouldn't bet on them waiting to see what I was going to do as I gradually moved my arms into position to grab the gun.

Here's a better technique. http://www.videosift.com/video/Krav-Maga-gun-disarm-from-Human-Weapon

I dunno... I would prefer to see a demonstration with the gun cocked. If he can get the gun pointed away from his face by the time the hammer falls I'd be impressed. I doubt it.

Anyways, neat video.

AeroMechanical: I have done similar techniques with a cocked (empty) gun. If the defender starts to move before the attacker has decided to shoot, the defender will be able to deflect the gun before the attacker can react and pull the trigger. It is all down to reaction times when reacting from a purely visual cue (movement).

A better learning technique would be to start from a relaxed position with arms down by your side. This is a more natural stance for the beginning of an encounter. You start as soon as possible, for example when the attacker oders you to put your hands up. This gives you more time to move before the attackers notices that something is wrong.

One other very important point that most instructors forget is made in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V6LWQZjYRk

There were actually 5 ninjas in that video.

lol @ Tymberwulf

Since I'm no expert, I'll believe the more experienced folks, but it doesn't take much to make a cocked gun go off--just a teeny bit more force on the trigger--I've definitely had one go off before I intended to aiming down the range because I just twitched a little bit. The gun doesn't necessarily need to be pointed so that the bullet would hit his head either, even a few inches off and the blast would disable him.

If it's that or immediate death, which I'm sure is part of the introduction to this video, sure give it a try. A 1% chance of pulling it off is worth it. It just strikes me as one of those things that looks cool and makes good videos, and not a bad thing to practice if you're likely to be held at gunpoint in this manner, but a longshot. Also I bet the 'holding people at gunpoint' training videos teach you to maintain a bit of distance.

Did anyone else see the black guy shoot the guy in the bear suit?

It's a demo. Fun, but pointless. This would only work if you were being held hostage by a lone gunman/knifeman who is standing within 2 feet of you and they are NOT expecting you to try anything. I guess that might happen sometimes. 99.9% of the time I bet the situation is a little more organic.

One of the most important rules of gunfighting is "If you're going to use my own gun against me, you're going to have to beat me with it, because it will be out of bullets by the time you're close enough..."

>> ^SDGundamX:
>> ^videosiftbannedme:
Upvote for the earslap in this vid. I got to feel first-hand how effective it is, especially when both ears are boxed simultaneously.



I remember we called it a Thunderclap in school. Man, the kids were cruel.

I listened to my katra and now I'm dominating the dojo!

only the last move was impressive, it still seems he would have been shot