Future Combat Systems: Non-Line-of-Sight Cannon
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BAE Systems Land and Armaments XM1203 Non-Line-of-Sight Cannon (NLOS Cannon) is a 155 mm cannon intended to provide improved responsiveness and lethality to the "Unit of Action" (UA) commander as part of the US Army's Future Combat Systems project. This mobile armored artillery piece provides networked, extended-range targeting, and precision attack of point and area targets in support of other combat units with a suite of munitions that include special purpose capabilities. The Non-Line-of-Sight Cannon provides sustained fires for close support and destructive fires for tactical standoff engagement. The NLOS Cannon uses technology from the cancelled XM2001 Crusader.
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Someone asked in the previous Sift if there is a replacement system due for artillery systems, well this is it after sinking close to 11 billion dollars into the XM2001 Crusader, it uses technology from that project in the XM1203 NLOS Cannon.

Though I think this would put MarineGunrock out of a job...

EDIT: Anyone else think the FCS design spec is really overly reliant on technology, networking and a level of information overload most troops would find detrimental to their combat experience?


written by Farhad2000  | 9 months ago | CH
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I think the gunrocks' jobs are still safe. This is after all the Army's project plus you still need a two man crew. What caught my interest is the weapon's ability to track where the rounds were landing and make corrections automatically - that is a tremendous ability when combined with its rapid fire rate. Interesting sift.


written by twiddles  | 9 months ago | CH
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+198 votes for the awesome tag. This was a good episode. I'm glad I saw it in it's entirety.

Also, this is only for self-propelled artillery. Towed guns will be around for many years to come, as they are much more reliable and much cheaper than SP versions.
At the beginning of this year, the Marine Corps started fielding a new 155mm howitzer, the M777 lightweight howitzer. It's much easier to operate, much faster to employ, and requires less men. Also, it's half the weight.


written by MarineGunrock  | 9 months ago | CH
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And Farhad, your edit makes you sound like you're saying that our troops don't posses the level of intelligence required to operate this sort of equipment. I personally don't think this would be detrimental to anything.


written by MarineGunrock  | 9 months ago | CH
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You misunderstood my edit comment, I suggest you read it again.

I was talking about the Future Combat System program as a whole, from grunt level to command level with integration of armor, artillery and air power under network centric warfare.

It seems to me to be hopelessly over reliant on technology and sensitive electronics, and then providing a mountain of new information to individual soldiers, how will they then deal with informational overload, especially in combat settings where snap decisions need to be made.

All the trail runs of the FCS were heavily controlled so far, and showed mundane encounters between hostiles at long range, and a level of pre-operational intelligence that does not exist on the battlefield.


written by Farhad2000  | 8 months 4 weeks ago | CH
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Ah, very well then. I can understand what you're saying about the reliance on the technology. If it were to fail, then the entire system would be out-of-action.
As far as the information overload - well, you'd be surprised at the amount of information troops have to know already - Whether it's the proper techniques of clearing a building, and remembering all the small things, or first aid, or how to properly call for air support if the radio man gets taken down. Having to know how to operate this wouldn't be a big deal, because that's where training comes in. After training enough, anything can become second nature. So, to sum it up: Snap decisions can be made flawlessly, no matter how much information needs to be processed, because U.S. troops are some of the most highly-trained troops on Earth.


written by MarineGunrock  | 8 months 4 weeks ago | CH
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great, so now we are one step closer to a world where we pay trillions of dollars to watch different countries robots smash each other up on TV.

something about actually needing to put a human on the battlefield kinda keeps things in check, don't you think?


written by MINK  | 8 months 4 weeks ago | CH
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I don't understand what you're getting at there. You would rather have people dying than mechanized replacements? Having people on the battlefield keeps nothing in check as can be demonstrated by war throughout human history. Why would it be a bad thing to have a more mechanized force?


written by Lurch  | 8 months 4 weeks ago | CH
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Lurch,

Personally I think it's because robots don't have a moral compass, and their operators who will most likely be miles away will be playing a video game, firing at targets at human targets on the screen.

I mean look at how the US military presents war to the public, highly detached bombing mission runs from the Air Force.


written by Farhad2000  | 8 months 4 weeks ago | CH
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Is anyone else scared sh*tless by this?

The US military is big .. really big when compared to the rest of the world. No one disputes this. Seems to me that the only two things having any deterence power over our new form of imperialism .. er .. democratic persuasion is A) military casualties and B) cost. Military programs like this drastically radically reduce these two barriers.

But lower American casualties sound great, right? Well, imagine 10~20 years from now when America is a few revs into optimizing these machines for production cost and lethality. And you know we'll be stockpiling them (oh, how we like to build 'em big and in plenty). Now you have a overwhelming fighting force that can be parked on the lawn (or sand dune) of any nation that dares to disagree with our policies.

So far these (NLOS, predators w/ hellfires, etc.) haven't been flagged as an atrocity by the general public as nuclear weapons are, they're simply seen as a non-traditional way of fighting conventional warfare. But the devastation unleashed by autonomous military vehicles could be just as massive to civilian casualities if done in the right numbers, especially since the conflict is so impersonal. Think about the history of conflict, advancing from hand to hand, to ranged guns/artillery/mines, to aircraft bombs .. and how many more civilians die as collateral damage in modern warfare. The military tech advantage would ensure that we keep a monopoly on this warfare for a good number of years. If we had them today, I bet we'd already have invaded Iran with little debate on the subject.

Ideally this would be a good thing. Less casualties. Perhaps in a "noble" war where we clearly have the moral high ground (though even WWII had its firebombing atrocities). But with a government you can't trust, a country with a military budget far exceeding the rest of the world combined, a looming energy crisis, and an ignorant public, this has got to be one of the scariest things on the horizon.


written by ragingtomato  | 8 months 4 weeks ago | CH
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Farhad, that I can understand. Although this doesn't mean advances in technology are a bad thing. People will continue to refine the ability to kill one another as they always have. I think this artillery piece would be a step towards minimizing civilian casulaties. More accuracy means its more likely to actually hit your target and not take out a whole city block instead. Minimizing human error is a good thing. It even auto corrects to ensure collateral damage is minimized.


written by Lurch  | 8 months 4 weeks ago | CH
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Am left unconvinced, I mean that was the same arguement put forward with laser guided munitions, yes the delivery system is accurate but its still a question of where you aim it. Even with all the 'surgical' strikes tauted by the US Military, civlians and reporters got hit in the process in Iraq, with Shock and Awe. Especially looking at the massive civilians causalities in Afghanistan that is driving anti-US resentment.


written by Farhad2000  | 8 months 4 weeks ago | CH
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When dealing with large conventional munitions you will never have a perfect scenerio where there are no civilian deaths, no matter how great the technology. What we have instead is advances that minimize the deaths of non-combatants when compared to previous systems. Look at how far we've come since WW2. What used to be just opening the bomb bay doors and hoping you hit the target is now a system accurate enough to take out moving vehicles from the air. Improving accuracy of devastating weaponry is still better than unleashing it randomly. If it's a question of where you aim it, then that is not the fault of the equipment.


written by Lurch  | 8 months 3 weeks ago | CH
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