Is this a problem with Islam or a problem with violent youths? I live in a predominantly Muslim neighborhood and there are no firebombings.

Racist bullshit. Why don't you post a video of all the white hooligans that punch, stab, burn and vadalize every weekend in Europe ? They follow some kind of stupid insane cult called 'Football' or 'Nationalism'.

>> ^billpayer:
Racist bullshit. Why don't you post a video of all the white hooligans that punch, stab, burn and vadalize every weekend in Europe ? They follow some kind of stupid insane cult called 'Football' or 'Nationalism'.


Billpayer
Racist? I don't know. Is it?

I don't speak the language, I've never been to Switzerland. This sounds like a situation local to that area. The report seems to come from a legitimate news source. Are they credible? I don’t know. Any one out there recognize the news station?

I don’t think this is a blanket statement towards all Muslims, but this particular situation has taken a turn for the worse and the youth don’t seem to respect the authority around them. I wonder why? Are they subject to intolerance or are they the ones causing the rift.

The story definitely shows the youth as, at fault here. And the violent slurs seem to come from the youth, (“He who kills a policeman, will go to paradise”), sounds like religious talk to me. Not to mention attacking the firemen who try to put out fires before they spread.

I am neither in Europe or am I able to travel there to study this first hand. Nor should I have to. No this story is not about white youth. In this instance, it IS about young Muslim youth. What motivates them? I don’t know. That’s why it is being brought into conversation. That is why there is a news report. Please don’t shift the blame to another culture because in this news story, they aren’t talking about sports fans (Though, I’m sure that could be another news story in itself – which is also not acceptable).

Knowledge of events is not being racist. I am not racist, nor would I ever endorse racism. If you have some knowledgeable information to ad to the post, please, by all means, join in and lets discuss what is going on here. Don’t troll the post unless you can have proof that racism is the cause here – Then we can tag it as * lies.

Until then, do some research for us on this story and bring some light to the situation. Some intelligent references as to what is going on here.

Respectfully yours,
Sagemind.

Although poverty seems to be a thread here, a lot of the evidence also leads to youth just being arogant and disrespectful of the people and country that have taken them in a immagrants. Here is some of what I found:

What Muslim Immigration Has Done to Sweden
March 23, 2009 by BNP News
http://bnp.org.uk/2009/03/what-muslim-immigration-has-done-to-sweden/

Sweden: Why Are They Rioting?
Wednesday, September 09, 2009
http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2009/09/sweden-why-are-they-rioting.html

VIOLENT MUSLIM RIOTS IN SWEDEN
Monday, December 22, 2008
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/12/violent-muslim.html

Muslim youth riots in Sweden
Sunday, November 6
http://www.healinguniverse.com/2005/11/muslim-youth-riots-in-sweden.htm


Quotes of Muslim youth from an interview by Petra Åkesson for her thesis in sociology:
http://centurean2.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/muslim-rape-epidemic-puts-sweden-at-top-of-euro-rape-statistics-peace-in-europe-surrender/

“Power for me means that the Swedes shall look at me, lie down on the ground and kiss my feet.” The boys explain, laughingly, that “there is a thrilling sensation in your body when you’re robbing; you feel satisfied and happy; it feels as if you’ve succeeded; it simply feels good.”

“It’s so easy to rob Swedes, so easy. We rob every single day, as often as we want to, whenever we want to.” The immigrant youth regard the Swedes as stupid and cowardly: “The Swedes don’t do anything; they just give us the stuff. They’re so wimpy.”

The young robbers do not plan their crimes: “No, we just see some Swedes that look rich or have nice mobile phones and then we rob them.”


Please feel free to post any further arguments to what I found, I looked for some reports that sided with the youth but couldn’t find any. I realy would like some more personal “first hand,” oppinions on these envents.

Seems to be a complete lack of respect for the non-Muslim Swedish people based on comments from some the youths responsible. And by their own admission in those statements the youths don't see themselves as Swedish, thus excluding themselves from the community.

Personally I see it as a lack of basic respect for other people. And it's worse then simply not respecting another persons religion or culture, it feels like they believe they can behave how they like toward others because the people they target aren't their equals, that is to say they are not human beings.

And I know it's a cliche but where are the parents??? Discipline and respect for others is something which obviously hasn't been taught to these kids. These kids act like it's their god-given right to behave how they like, like the Swedish people somehow owe them something. It wreaks of double standard, they expect to be treated with respect without showing it to others. All these kids are doing is adding weight to arguments that Islam is violent, lacks respect for other cultures etc.

I can't believe you actually cited the BNP website as a credible news source.

This whole Malma muslim crazy story was pushed a long while back by Little Green Footballs.

OK, I'm not so knowledgeable on European sources. Point taken

But no, really, educate me. Is there more here than meets the eye because I am truly interested.
I spent time looking for more sources but it seems to be the same information everywhere.
What are the underlying issues here? What are we not being told?

Is this a case of religious profiling and fighting back or is there something going on here.
I don't promote one one-sidedness here so more information if you have it......

Opening up the dialogue...

Agreed, Sage. I've heard about this as well, and would definitely like to know more about it.

Now, I am from Denmark, and this is a story that is not uncommon in Scandinavia. I can tell you that the translation roughly correspond to what is being said in the video. But I can also say that the angle of the headline, `Firemen and Police in Sweden attacked by Muslims´, is not corresponding to the newsstory.

This is a story about violent young second generation immigrants and refugees. Almost every major city in Scandinavia has a ghetto with these immigrants living in it. Here it's Hisingen, Göteborg, in Sweden, but this is not a rare story.

Now the problem is real, young people in the ghetto are getting involved in crime. But that is the same picture as you see in the black ghettos in South Africa and indeed in America. These youths might identify with islam, but they are not a product of islamism. There are imams and others working together with social workers and the community to prevent the crimes.
They are just a bunch of young kids with a common heritage and nothing to do with their lives. They do not, and i know this by fact, live by the sharia code of law. Most of them have never even attended friday prayer.

Only the most rightwing are claiming this to be a purely religious problem (we are litaraly talking about the nazis here). The opponents of islamism in Scandinavia do not claim that islam is the primary reason for the problems in the various ghettos, if they do, they do it in the more broader sense of islamic culture.
The discussion is much wider, you can not look at this story without looking at the other controversies surrounding this. How many refugees should be allowed to put up permanent residence, should they be allowed to work from the refugee camps.

Your sources are very onesided and do not support their primary claim, that it is muslim crime. They do not attempt to make distinctions between muslims and immigrants or people with arabic heritage. They are not backed by any proper sources themselves and are biased.
An example could be the article from healinguniverse.com starts out with a false claim, the rioting in Aarhus was broadly covered in all of the danish media.

I may be able to come up with some more credible sources from Sweden, as well as Denmark and Norway. Some newspapers do make an english version of their normal paper.

Changed title from: Firemen and Police in Sweden attacked by Muslims (as title from Live Leak)
To: Firemen and Police in Sweden attacked by Immigrant Youth

And: Removed from Religion Channel

>> ^Spetnazgru:
I may be able to come up with some more credible sources from Sweden, as well as Denmark and Norway. Some newspapers do make an english version of their normal paper.


I wondered about the language barriers as well. Not only in the different languages you mention but in the the languages of the youth as well... (Arabic ?)

Moving this video to Sagemind's personal queue. It failed to receive enough votes to get sifted up to the front page within 2 days.

I imagine the countries from whence their parents came would not be so tolerant of their behaviour.

It's an appalling lack of respect for the country in which they find themselves which offers enormous opportunities if they wished to seize it. But it seems gang culture becomes an attractive option when you know no one's that bothered to stop it.

Here in the UK I get the impression that stopping illegal file-sharing is more important to the government while knife crime continues to increase.

Part of it is also the changed dynamic in the relationship with children. You can't discipline or interact with children so they become overly empowered and lack boundaries. And then a whole industry springs up to deal with the consequences of their behaviour and we wring our hands wondering what to do.

I wouldn't describe the parts of the city heavy in immigrant residents as a ghetto. It's a poorer area no doubt, with lots of unemployment and higher in crime. But at the same time, immigrants aren't confined there, nor are they placed there against their will.

There's of course the cold reality that the cheap rental prices of apartments in the area along with the relative closeness to others of their respective native culture makes it much more attractive to reside in than other places. However, the welfare agency who supplies people with welfare money does regularly hold free-of-charge courses on language, traditions, integration and society, aswell as doing regular followups on job searches and further education. The bureau also works with the employment service to get people jobs, and the employment service in turn holds courses in interview techniques, CV writing, job searching and starting ones own business, for all who are interested. Also free of charge. They also try to help people get into various different educational bodies or start their own business if that's their perogative.

So the help is there. It's a matter of taking it into ones own hands and actually take the trouble of accepting the help that is offered. It's the apathy that comes with unemployment, initial feelings of alienation and not venturing out into the discomfort zone outside ones apartment that breaks the integration chain for the vast majority of families who turn out the way these people in the video did. The government can't force them to take that step, it can only supply the tools necessary to take it. At some point there has to be some form of initiative on the part of the person, and the majority of immigrants handle it exceptionally, which is why I don't believe closing our borders further would do any good. These might have had some very bad experiences that made them so bitter and hostile, but eventually they will have to rise above that and actually become part of the society that has made their life possible, otherwise I don't want them here. Not because they claim to be muslim and not because they're second generation immigrants, but because they're vandalising, robbing and generally scorning productive citizens who've done nothing against these people.
Also, attacking the fire department and police officials for no other reason than coming to help put out a fire or stop gang fights in gradeschool doesn't help their case.

If the Swedes are smart, they'll lock down their borders. Any sane Western country would, as they're being attacked and weakened from within by parasites promoting egalitarianism and political correctness. Until the internal threat is neutralized no Western country is strong enough to assimilate newcomers, which means the dominant culture will die along with its borders and language.

Islamic societies are defective by any Western metric, and they've already made it clear they're not going to change.

Accommodating Muslims in Western countries is not worth the effort.

>> ^Sagemind:
I don't speak the language, I've never been to Switzerland. This sounds like a situation local to that area. The report seems to come from a legitimate news source. Are they credible? I don’t know. Any one out there recognize the news station?

The news source is NRK, the norwegian equivalent of the BBC. They are generally very credible.

The left and green parties encourage mass immigration into Sweden because it generates votes. They don't care what happens to the rest of us, since we do not vote for them. It's crazy but it's true. The "mayor" of Malmö, where there are huge problems, invited about 10 000 leftist activists to have the "European Social Forum" in Malmö. The result?

Smashed windows, burned cars, beatings and mass riots. Millions down the drain. On top of that, the activists brought their own food and lived in tents so no money was made. Thousands of police were drafted from all over the country. Now they have to cut back on shifts to cover that cost. Why do this? It makes no sense from a financial or public relations standpoint.

Votes. Plain and simple.

The left loves this shit.

The problem for the left begins when the immigrants get their shit together and educate themselves and get jobs. They no longer need government handouts and suffer under the high taxes and presto - no votes.

So not only do the left encourage mass immigration. They encourage immigration from problem areas - rich with uneducated refugees so to create a permanent under class, which will grant them power and be powerless to do anything else.

That is the great scam of socialism: they will make your life better - just not good.

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The US took the smart course and accepted all the Muslim immigrants with advanced degrees.

Iranian-Americans, for example, have a higher average income than white Americans.