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Burlesque star Dita Von Teese performs live at New Orleans Shim Sham Club w/ drummer Ronnie Magri & his New Orleans Jazz Band. Recorded 10/6/02, Dita performs in one of her 5 special guest appearances with the Shim Sham Revue. www.ronniemagri.com
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Burlesque star Dita Von Teese performs live at New Orleans Shim Sham Club w/ drummer Ronnie Magri & his New Orleans Jazz Band. Recorded 10/6/02, Dita performs in one of her 5 special guest appearances with the Shim Sham Revue. www.ronniemagri.com
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Studies have shown that with a thumbnail like that this video's shooting straight to #1.
(Except for that video involving the sheep. I don't know why that one didn't pass)
I Know also non members watch this but
wow 225 Views in 1 hour... and 13 Votes Brilliant !!! LOL funny
[edit] Why must women do that? Anyone can spot em a mile away, and they just look unnatural.
And who shows the goods right off the bat?
Thanks for the thumbnail prominently displaying ta-tas on the front page. Not that I don't appreciate it... but some of us are still at work.
well I dont know How to change the thumbnail..sorry..and you can use the mouse to scroll down the page fast...and I think is small don't you think??
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And LadyDeath, WTF?!
This is soft porn. Can somebody please do something about this? I come to videosift so that I don't have to deal with this type of disgusting and pornographic objectification of women. Come on, guys.
And LadyDeath, WTF?!
I just have to say whatever Im not going to deal with another kid saying this is porn...If you dont like it and if you think this is SO DISGUSTING dont watch it,you saw the thumbnail...end of this,,Im not wasting my time with people who dont understand.
>> ^thepinky:
This is soft porn. Can somebody please do something about this? I come to videosift so that I don't have to deal with this type of disgusting and pronographic objectification of women. Come on, guys.
And LadyDeath, WTF?!
I just have to say whatever Im not going to deal with another kid saying this porn...If you dont like it and if you think this is SO DISGUSTING dont watch it,you saw thumbnail...end of this,,Im not wasting my time with people who dont understand.
Yeah, I "understand" that this is the modern world's sad, sad, sad excuse for art.
> video's shooting straight to #1.
yes.. solid performance, rocketing straight up, hard to beat!
I don't understand the controversy. Just because I watched this doesn't make me think of a woman as an object. I see her dancing, and I see her doing something she loves to do. I'm not sitting here thinking "I'd hit that so hard she'd walk funny for a week" I'm actually sitting here enjoying it because it's a dance.
People need to seriously reconsider what they want to pick fights with. Society on the whole has come to terms of equality. Black, White, Yellow, Purple, brown, male or female, everybody has equal rights and opportunities.
No race is better then the other, and same goes for the Sexes.
People don't treat women as brainless objects anymore. You can vote, you can drive, you can work, the only thing you can't do is pee standing up. People have accepted that women are NOT objects anymore, and therefore can actually watch something like this and appreciate it as art.
Because we (at least not all of us), don't have our head in the gutter anymore and can accept it.
Alright, this is a video of someone doing what they love.
I don't understand the controversy. Just because I watched this doesn't make me think of a woman as an object. I see her dancing, and I see her doing something she loves to do. I'm not sitting here thinking "I'd hit that so hard she'd walk funny for a week" I'm actually sitting here enjoying it because it's a dance.
People need to seriously reconsider what they want to pick fights with. Society on the whole has come to terms of equality. Black, White, Yellow, Purple, brown, male or female, everybody has equal rights and opportunities.
No race is better then the other, and same goes for the Sexes.
People don't treat women as brainless objects anymore. You can vote, you can drive, you can work, the only thing you can't do is pee standing up. People have accepted that women are NOT objects anymore, and therefore can actually watch something like this and appreciate it as art.
Because we (at least not all of us), don't have our head in the gutter anymore and can accept it.
wow wow wow Lovely words
Sex, in all its form and splendor, is not something to get upset over. Life's too short.
Sex is great. Let's keep it off the Sift like we're supposed to.
This woman lives off of taking advantage of a the carnal weakness of some men and woman. She is not an object, she is an entrepreneur and good for her for finding her niche, exploiting it, and getting rich. If anything, we are the mindless object.
I'm sorry, I just don't think we should have to live up to the twisted standards of the sexually repressed and frustrated. Enjoy your bodies while you can! They are beautiful and one of few sources of joy in the hard world.
But be safe of course
To say "enjoy your bodies while you can" is a hedonistic principle, in my opinion. We ought to be very careful with our bodies lest we allow our appetites to get out of hand and we do something immoral (molestation, rape, infidelity, etc.). I know you agree with that. We're really just arguing about the degree to which we control our bodies.
I'm neither sexually repressed nor frustrated. I'm extremely happy with my sex life.
>> ^Bleedingsnowman:
I don't agree with the idea that this is an objectification of women.
This woman lives off of taking advantage of a the carnal weakness of some men and woman. She is not an object, she is an entrepreneur and good for her for finding her niche, exploiting it, and getting rich.
I'm sorry, I just don't think we should have to live up to the twisted standards of the sexually repressed and frustrated. Enjoy your bodies while you can! They are beautiful and one of few sources of joy in the hard world.
But be safe of course
If this video were an artistic dance celebrating the beauty of the male body, say, if he had a jewel hanging off the end of his penis, would you still think it was art? Would you have upvoted? Don't try to say it isn't erotic. It is sexual material created purely for arousal. That's called porn.
Sex is great. Let's keep it off the Sift like we're supposed to.
You sound like the worst kind...an oppressor. Lets all live in shame and disgust when looking at the human form. What about the pictures of jesus wearing nothing but a cloth covering his crotch...sounds a little erotic by your standards. The worst part of this is that she is not even naked, and doesn't do anything but walk back and forth with a giant balloon. You want to talk about objectifying women, give a little more depth in your reasoning. Fight for the women in 3rd world countries being sold as sex slaves,or being castrated, not someone who is agreeing to the terms of their sexuality.
Women like you are the ones who objectify women as you think of them in those terms and tag anyone with an open sexuality a slut or promiscuous.
If you're hanging out with guys that depreciate their women because of porn, then you should probably start hanging out with different guys, or tell your girlfriends to find new boyfriends. Those guys obviously have a confusion of fantasy and reality (an unfortunately common phenomenon). Any man worth staying with finds as much pleasure from making his partner feel just as appreciated as he does.
I don't really see this argument going anywhere since you are arguing from the stand point of religious piety, and I argue from the side of human nature with no consideration for caring of some type of divine referee. It is impossible for our stand points to cross - anywhere. While you consider myself lost, I think the same of you, so I believe the only option is to "agree to disagree" as they say.
You've got a good point there, but I still think that any type of porn is ojectification. (I'm going to talk about men and porn designed to please men, although I know it goes both ways.) Women have to work harder and harder these days to please their partners because men jack off to porn so much that sex is becoming less and less an act of love and intimacy. When discussing porn, I have had two of my guyfriends tell me that porn made them look at women differently. The more porn they watched, the less they cared about the minds and opinions of the women they were interested in and the more they cared about their bodies and how good they were in bed. I've seen porn tear marriages apart because it can be seen as a type of infidelity. A girlfriend of mine told me that her husband "had sex" more often and "made love" less often the more addicted he got to porn. But many men argue that porn ISN'T infidelity because women in porn mean nothing to them emotionally. In other words, they are just OBJECTS. Thus, objectification. Yes, the women are exploiting something they shouldn't be exploiting.
To say "enjoy your bodies while you can" is a hedonistic principle, in my opinion. We ought to be very careful with our bodies lest we allow our appetites to get out of hand and we do something immoral (molestation, rape, infidelity, etc.). I know you agree with that. We're really just arguing about the degree to which we control our bodies.
I'm neither sexually repressed nor frustrated. I'm extremely happy with my sex life.
If you think this is porn, I think you really have issues.
The reason we don't have men with sliver ding dongs attached to their penises dancing around is because the male body is ugly.
The female body on the other hand looks like it was designed by Italians, all curves and smooth lines. While the male body looks like it was stamp pressed in some oppressive Eastern European nation trying desperately to join the EU. Both men and women enjoy seeing female form more then the male form, because the female form represents beauty in the arts, and in very essence it is beautiful.
A celebration of that form is not pornographic.
Burlesque is about fantasy, its art, its about the exploration of carnal desires not their fulfillment. Pornography on the other hand is not, its literally about the physical act of sex, its the act more then the fantasy itself.
This feeds into the way carnal desires work on a psychological level.
We enjoy watching erotic films, romantic novels, romantic movies or stuff like this because there is a framework of fantasy at work, we create an emotional resonance that leads into the sexual act. Most of the people in that audience watch a show like this and go home and fuck like rabbits. Because it feeds that fantasy, we look at our partner and want to do all kinds of kinky things to them.
That's why Victoria Secret sales are so strong.
People get bored of making 'love' and intimacy, because it doesn't work like Disney in the real world. You need to create spice in your sex life, love and intimacy is about the first year or so of being in love, after that you need to work to have a good sex life, sexual fulfillment is just as much a issue of a relationship as communication.
Psychologically when we are with our partners we often have a very different view of them then the reality of them, in essence we desire them for a fantasy perspective we possess of them linked to created concept we have based on time spent together, desire, interests and that unquantifiable aspect of love. Psychologists assume this is necessary for monotony and the actual act of sex.
Others enjoy pornography because its the fulfillment of that fantasy being fast forward devoid of emotion to the act of sex itself. However without a level of fantasy the act of sex degrades to one of physical perversion. How many times have you seen porn or been fucking and had a Epiphany of oh my god this looks horrid. Because it does. Its a very animalistic base act of fulfillment. We dress it up alot with all kinds of concepts but at the end of the day it's as raw as watching two dogs humping. This is why porn has to create some basic level of fantasy, even if its crude and stupid, the girl next door, the frisky teacher, the plumber and so on and so forth. You will find that the best porn actually is more erotica then porn.
With regards to your idea that porn tears apart marriages.
Its a ridiculous concept. I personally believe in our modern, fast paced, everything at your finger tips, your needs met by company X world both men and women have unrealistic expectations of their partners.
Women desire heroic characters with a soft inner shell that can make chicken soup for you. Men desire a slave worker cook whose a harlot in the bedroom.
Pornography is not infidelity, its the release of sexual desire that is persistent in the man nature, by nature we are built to fuck as many things as possible to seed our DNA code. That's nature and God designed. I seen alot of couples deal with this in the long term by fantasizing or spicing up their sex lives, they love one another but that initial spark and heat is gone, something they need to work at to get back. Going to burlesque shows or strip clubs together or watching soft core or filming themselves or dressing up or kinky things and eventually exploring their own sexuality. There is reason swingers clubs and the such exist, because people sometimes love to be together but seek to explore themselves sexually or other people with their partners.
At the same time I have seen many people being paralyzed by sex, being utterly frighted of it, because of some silly indoctrination they received when they were younger. Unable to satisfy themselves and eventually their partners because they were essentially sexually suppressed.
I could go on and on but I really think your concepts of what is porn and sexuality is based around misjudged postulations of a religious framework. We lived in several cycles of religious control of sexuality all of them showed it is a facade that tried to suppress what is essentially our nature. While sex and or booze isn't so much an issue now, its more about homosexuality which is basically love.
Remember Alfred Kinsey's research and work changed the way we looked at sexuality in the 1930s enabling the 60s sexual revolution, which was connected with free love, female empowerment, and the coming of the pill.
Anyway, I'm glad that farhad wrote that long essay. I essentially agree with everything he said.
I am sorry that you feel that way about porn, thepinky, but I strongly believe that you are mistaken. While yes, some (most?) porn is disgusting, I think that is unjust to categorize every performance featuring the female form together. It's a bit like saying that just because some terrible author writes in English, then therefore all English novels are so terrible.
As ladydeath pointed out, it is unfortunate that your viewpoint doesn't allow you to enjoy this video, but just skip on, and watch the next one. If you are fixated on seeing some injustice, you will see it everywhere you look. If you believe that the air causes every problem in the world, you can find proof of it everywhere you look. Sometimes it is hard to separate cause and effect.
well I think its all been said, this isn't porn - and it does not objectify women - in fact its a good example of art against porn - its just a shame some people think if you show your boobs or the full exposed shape of your body its porn
LadyD says if you don't like don't watch - sounds good to me
I know thumbnail is a bit dodgey - but she isn't actully naked (unlike, I should say - some videos on the sift)
Nothing wrong with naked though
oh and ThePinky, arguing that some men said they perceived woman as objects, does not still make this porn, or objectify Dita. Naked body dancing - doesn't equal porn, not now, not tomorrow not ever.
Art is beauty, and something to be appreciated, this is erotica; not porn, erotica tells a story or explores an idea, it can use the human body, porn is performing explicit sex acts - meant to arouse sexual interest in the reader.
The idea that men are more sexual than women is a chauvenistic principle that has been around for decades and is the cause of the historical sexual repression of women. This woman is not engaging in a sexual act for her own pleasure and satisfaction. She is displaying her sexuality for the enjoyment of others. I don't see this as empowering her in any way, but some feminists would, yes.
Again, the Male Gaze. Men look, women are looked upon.
And I'm not the only one who feels this way. I've had other women make private comments on my profile about this, but none of them have said anything in here. *sigh* Oh, what a world.
>> ^Farhad2000:
The reason we don't have men with sliver ding dongs attached to their penises dancing around is because the male body is ugly.
The female body on the other hand looks like it was designed by Italians, all curves and smooth lines. While the male body looks like it was stamp pressed in some oppressive Eastern European nation trying desperately to join the EU.
This is actually a good discussion - everyone please keep things civil. I've noticed sometimes that when personal revelations come out in a thread - that's the tipping point when things go berzerk.
The only appeal for me of this video is the rustic retro vintage angle - but to be honest she's not doing a whole hell of a lot. The novelty in the champagne glass video was a bit better.
Farhad - sorry, but I disagree. Your and my sexual attraction to the female shape informs our conception of beauty. Michelangelo would also heartily disagree with you on the male form.
Yeah, well, Michelangelo liked weiners.
Really? Is that way women are constantly saying "men are pigs"?
Or do you think that we enjoy creating stereotypes of ourselves that women hate?
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Yeah, well, Michelangelo liked weiners.
That's my point. His concept of beauty was formed by his sexuality - and reflected in his artwork. Though admittedly - You don't have to be gay to think David is beautiful.
"You find those fatty sacks on the front of the torso that secrete the sticky white fluid attractive?"
God You dont have to discuss your private life in here for "Simple Art Video"
This is Getting so Dramatic Again and Again...
Pornography is more than just objectification and arousal, but it's also about exploitation. In most porn you see women being controlled by men, being nothing more than sex toys. Women's heads are pushed down onto the genitals so they'll give blowjobs, or men ejaculate onto their faces, butts, or breasts, or they are gangbanged, or they are depicted in subservient roles like maids or secretaries who are really there to please their bosses. So they are the inferiors to males, basically.
Obviously we don't see any exploitation aspect to this video, because firstly there are no men in her act, and secondly Dita is in control. She's not giving lap dances or hustling for dollar bills on a stage. She's doing the entire dance to her own choreography, and we're simply left to watch. Sure, she is arousing, and she's also allowing herself to be objectified, but she's not being exploited in any way. (In fact it is my understanding that Dita Von Teese has been careful to control the copyrights to most of her images, that way she'll make herself wealthy, and not some man.) All three conditions (objectification, arousal, exploitation) need to be met for me to call it porn. Instead I would label this as "erotica," which is a subtle but important distinction.
Just one man's opinion, and I'm not looking to sway anyone to my way of thinking.