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In last night's debate Clinton, Edwards, and Obama refused to pledge to get our Troops out Iraq by at least 2013. This can be seen in the first minute of the video.
If you think we need to get out of Iraq don't let these people fool you. They tell us Bush was a bad man for taking us there and that Bush tricked them into supporting it and that Bush won't let them end it because they want to and they are trying. But then if elected they will not even promise to get us out by the end of their first term!!!
If you think we need to get out of Iraq don't let these people fool you. They tell us Bush was a bad man for taking us there and that Bush tricked them into supporting it and that Bush won't let them end it because they want to and they are trying. But then if elected they will not even promise to get us out by the end of their first term!!!
In all liklihood, we'll be voting for two candiates nobody really wants in 2008.
Since when, was a candidate elected for president in the US by pop vote.....anyone?
Such a bullshit question anyhow....
Pretty much always. Except for about 4 occasions in U.S. History the popular vote has matched the electoral vote. Even when they didn't match, electoral votes regardless are based on the popular vote of each individual state.
I'm not saying I think it's the best way to do it...it's just not as unfair and unbalanced as many people think it is.
But can you believe any of that when the the leading candidates when pressed for a commitment to have us out of Iraq by the end of 2013 all 3 said they couldn't do that. They are telling us that even if they are elected we could still be in Iraq for another 5 years or more!
Did they have you fooled?
The fact of the matter is that congressional candidates lied when they said they would end the war immediately. They haven't done a god damned thing since being elected other than labeling the Iranian Guards as terrorist. Hmmm...how does this shorten the war?
All of a sudden congress realizes there are logistics and other issues related to ending a war? This never occured to them prior to the elections? I think not. Perhaps some "clever" people should spend some time and understand who and how indivuals become presidential candidates. Isn't it strange that it's highly possible that the four most recent US Preseidents could be from just two families? What would we say if this happened in another country?
Spend less time being concerned about Fox news and hunt down the real Boogy Men.
How can anyone make a commitment for 2013, especially when discussing one of the world's most volatile areas!? Answering this question with an affirmative can only lead to the clip being dragged out 5-6 years from now with the press saying "You lied to us!". I disagreed with the war President Bush began in Iraq from day one, but I think it's foolish to make commitments blindly and I think Barack, Clinton, and friends did the right thing by refusing to make empty promises. Any number of things could change between now and 2013 which may require the just use of force in Iraq, and these hypothetical questions which demand candidates to be fortune tellers are pointless.
Mr. Bush has created quite the pickle and bringing it to a close while simultaneously avoiding the collapse of the area's stability is, unfortunately, not going to be simple. Perhaps Bush/Cheney of 2003 should have listened to Bush/Cheney of 1994 ( Link )
This is the standard excuse and it's not good enough. The anti-war faction (both dems and repugs) need to make this happen. If the majority of Americans want the war over then Congress needs to make it so. Perhaps it's going to require more than showing up for votes and bad-mouthing the other side. Perhaps there needs to be some diplomacy, reconciliation or whatever it takes. The finger-pointing and ill words are getting us nowhere. Our "leaders" need to show some skills if we are to make progress and if they want to be re-elected.
No doubt the war will not end tomorrow, but the process must begin ASAP. And that doesn't include giving another $150 BILLION check.
I believe Gravel addressed this in the debates. It's in this video at the 10:32 mark.