Creationist robot falters under rationalist onslaught
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Stumble ThisFamily Research Council's Charmaine Yoest tries to squirm away from a direct question about the age of the earth on Anderson Cooper 360 some time in 2007. Rob Boston of Americans United is relentless in his attack.
again, calling for equal weight to lend credence to a theory that has no weight. sorry, no.
shes right about kids being smart. usually they ask, around puberty or earlier ... "what the fuck is this fucking nonsense about god again???"
90% of americans believe in god? that one seems wierdly possible to me.. but only cause i test in the top 10% on all my standardized exams... and i dislike 90% of the people i meet!
stick that up her ass instead of a bible
i hope the next time im not making any sense, hell come in and spank me too.
You know, I wouldn't be apposed to teaching 'Intelligent Design.' Really, I wouldn't. But before I think it should be taught, I want to hear the theory. I have yet to see any interview, any seminar, anything about Creationism or Intelligent Design that actually proposes a theory.. and 'it's in the bible' or 'it's to complex, SOMEONE must have designed it' simply don't count.
If these guys had an actual theory, and not just an 'idea' or an 'opinion' but an actual, scientific theory (which requires MUCH stronger evidence than the casual definition of a theory), you'd think they would release a paper detailing said theory, but they never have and never actually discuss the details behind Intelligent Design at all. I really don't think they have one. I think in the end, their theory is 'because it's in the bible.' And that simply isn't Science. It is mythology.
I really cant stand Christianity. Not because if its beliefs, or its practitioner. But because it has consistently slowed down human progress for 1500 years now. How much longer are we going to have to deal with their backwards thinking?
Evolution IS up for debate! If you can bring a single shred of hard evidence that contradicts evolutionary theory, any scientist would LOVE to publish that and become instantly famous. The problem is that all the evidence fits into the theory of evolution!
And I would even agree that there is a place in the classroom to teach the gaps in the theory. Like how life first came together, what made those amino acids first begin to form? There are people working on that issue, but there is no consensus yet. And discussing it may just inspire students to become scientists and look for the answer themselves. Discussing gaps in the fossil record may inspire new paleontologists. There are plenty of things science doesn't have nailed yet, and having a logical discussion of those things could inspire people to figure them out.
But telling kids that "God is the reason" does just the opposite. It stifles curiosity and investigative thinking. It could tip the balance for a child from becoming a scientist to becoming a mindless drone who accepts what they are told. And that's where you can see the real agenda here.
Once again, the liars are taking what they do and assigning it to their opposition. They claim scientists are stifling argument, when that is really what religion does best. And now that their brain-drain is finally being pushed out of the classroom, they are pissed! If people start thinking for themselves, who is going to give 10% of their income to the church? That steady supply of fresh altar boys may dry up! They might have to get real jobs and start actually... working, eww!
IT IS NOT.
However, what I would LOVE for schools to have is a broad based 'religious education' class which teaches about all the major world religions and the people who believe them, the different countries etc. but does so in a way that isn't saying ANY of them are true or false. Just teach it as another form of history. Here kids is what makes up a large portion of the world. These are all the things that people believe.
But is that what is taught?
ooooh no, not here in Australia.
Our eldest is in Prep this year (preparatory year, before grade one, in primary school, effectively your first year of real school). On the enrollment form there was a question 'do you want your child to have religious education'. Now, KNOWING that state schools teach Christianity, and teach it as 'fact', we said NO. As did at least one other family (as they are Muslim). We discovered a few weeks in that all the kids were having Religious education, and that he was asking about Jesus and God... *sigh*. I was happy to discuss it, happy to say that the bible is a book of stories that try to give some good idea across etc. and that there may have been a man called Jesus and people liked what he said... BUT I don't want some person teaching this crap as fact each week to my son.
We said we didn't want it taught to him, so when it was RE class they put him in the back of the classroom to play. We said this was unacceptable, because a) it will make him feel a bit like an outcast, and b) he can still hear the class. So now he goes to one of the other Prep classes during RE.
Now, I can just hear religious people going on about 'What are you afraid of?' 'Shouldn't your child be able to make up his own mind?' 'You're being a fascist and being just as bad as the people you say are being closed minded'.
Bullshiiiiit.
A 5 year old does NOT have the critical faculties to be able to tell if what they are being told is REAL is actually real or not. Plus I don't want someone at his school telling him these things as fact, only for us to have to tell him they are NOT fact. That'll just make him less inclined to have any respect for the actual, real truths that the teachers want to teach like... oh... science etc.
Any single faith based teachings have NO PLACE in a damn state school. There are religious schools for that crap. It has made us consider moving schools. And so many parents are just sheep and just accept it...
Disgusting.
Now then, the Theory of Evolution has many applications across many disciplins of science. Understanding how diseases chance and mutate has helped in the medical field (medicine), software has used the concepts. Its not just physics, chemistry and biology. The Federal Reserve has used the same concepts to help understand how money changes systems.
What applications does Creationism or Intelligent Design give the scientific community? What amount of this knowledge is useful to Mankind beyond the knowledge of it?
Yet again, the creationism advocate believes the Theory of Evolution talks about the same stuff as Creationsim. She should be comparing Abiogenesis to Creationism. But, that would involove knoweldge of science and being educated. A concept the really conservative members of the USA do not want Americans to be.
How about teaching about homosexuality in a sex-ed class, or gay marriage?
#2) I love how creationists and religious people who criticize science say "Why are you afraid of people questioning your 'theories' " but then run and hide whenever a someone critiques religion. Can't have it both ways people. If you want your ideas to make it into the SCIENCE class room, then you are REQUIRED to pass through the SCIENTIFIC METHOD and undergo thorough scrutiny of whatever objective EVIDENCE and FACTS you can produce. That does not bode well for the creationists.
#3) Despite #2, I wonder if the solution is to have complete transparency; Allow ID to be mentioned in the science class in exchange for Science's take to be mentioned in religion classes. My bet is the ID/Creationist view would crumble quickly under the weight of its own stupidity and in a few years it would be laughed right back out the door. Then we could sit back and say "We did the democratic thing, we discussed it openly, and the people have decided: you lost". As a scientist, I admit it's sounds like a scary bet at first, but as I look at more and more of these type of situations I realized that resisting stupid people often is the main reason they gain any attention at all.
LOL DISCIPLINE
Why does it look like hell behind the host?
because Anderson Cooper created the Earth 10,000 years ago.
sciencesomething that challenges their belief and so bent on shoving their religion down everyones throat.Are they so insecure in their faith that they need constant and complete confirmation from everyone and everything around them? Are they mentally stuck in the 1600s? Scared and confused by all this 'progress' thingy going on around them that they can't mentally process and/or cope with?
This is a bit tounge in cheek, but still a serious question none the less. I just don't comprehend people trying to roll human knowledge back several centuries (but probably enjoy their big fat gas guzzeling SUVs to the fullest). And I'm afraid do be able to really deal with this problem (and yes, I think they are a problem) we'd first need to know why they are what they are.
If we "should" teach the creationist theory of one religion, then we should teach them ALL. Why does Christianity get some sort of legitimacy when Islam, Hinduism, Buddhist, etc etc etc don't?
Ultimately, Creationist views have NO PLACE in a SCIENCE class. Go take a course on theology if you want to learn about that, SCIENCE has nothing to do with that...
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