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I didn't see the whole T.V. show, but I saw enough from the clip to see that she displayed none of the fundamental characteristics of Jesus Christ. That lady was no FUNDAMENTAList CHRISTian. But certainly a crazy freak!
Thanks for posting it gvod. Well worth sharing.
-james
Poor kids.
*promote, in Jesus' name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a freaking lunatic. You know if she was a real Christian, she would have befriended the other family with the hope that their lifestyle alone influenced them. Someone who is a real Christian should have taken this nut job aside and quoted:
"For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind." 2 Tim 1:17
She like many other Christians think that anything different or non-Christian should be feared and hated. That's wrong.
I take the risk of setting off the atheists here by quoting from the Bible, but this woman is a fundamentalist wacko, and doesn't not represent Jesus Christs teachings or folks of that faith that are genuine.
I'm upvoting because I want people who claim to be Christians to see this and check themselves. If your behavior and actions or spirit remotely resembles this woman's...then you're part of problem here in the U.S. and not the solution.
Ever evasive in religious discussions, aren't you swampgirl.
More and more we are becoming aware of it. The Falwells and the O'Hairs will hopefully soon become ideologies of the past...in favor of tolerance and respect.
Unfortunately, as long as we have a Fundie President who says that god talks directly to him, it's a long, hard road.
People are free to believe whatever they want (as the woman in this clip proves), but when you blindly agree with archaic and irrational myths that have directly caused the deaths of millions of people throughout history, you shouldn't really expect your beliefs to be respected.
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca (born 5 BC, died 65 AD)
The assertive atheist: http://www.flamewarrior.com/index.htm
Agreed. But I differ where you think religion shouldn't be repected. (am I right in saying that?) I separate those who are "religious" from those I consider genuine seekers of a higher being.
Religion doesn't kill people...people who use religion for their own gain kill people.
Personal belief systems should always be respected. The sins of the father are not handed down to the son. More people have been murdered in the name of the Christian God, yes...but that does not mean the local Protestants in your neighborhood are going to call for a Holy War. Baptists, maybe. ;-)
Then there are those like SG who are seeking out the higher being in themselves...in their own locus of control. Very different animal, that.
If we, as Atheists, start demeaning others for their beliefs then we are no better than the Jerry Falwells of this world. There is a balance. I hope we can all one day acheive it.
...what he said.
Point taken, although the line is still blurry.
My next question would have to be why would you start your search for meaning/purpose/whatever in life by insisting that there must be a "higher being" involved? It's the same as someone saying "I just know there's a giant green horse watching over us and if I dedicate my life to Him, He will surely reveal himself to me". Surely a search for meaning/purpose/whatever should start within observable reality?
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"There are those who believe in a god (or gods), then there are those who believe they are better than everyone else for that particular belief."
Come on Daphne... Even the bible says that the Christian God is the One True God and that the only unforgiveable sin is to not believe he exists. Are you really trying to convince me the bible teaches inter-religious tolerance?
This *is* the basis for a genuine quest for "God". It's the Jerry Falwells, the al-Qaedas, rubbish like the woman in this video and all they represent that obscures the journey.
Snake, it's true... but the Bible does teach to love your enemies..."turn the other cheek" and so-forth...
At worst, a Christian should still befriend someone of a different faith. At best, the Christian should realize that he doesn't corner the market on divine truth and everyone has the right to find their answers on their own.
It's like insisting there's a chicken living on the moon, then trying to find it by staring at your feet.
Are we alone? Did this all happen by chance?
Yes, it's our right to be religious and subscribe to whatever dogma fits our needs...but to those of you who have dissmissed it all outright find it hard to even repect someone that has questions.
I couldn't find it on Google Video nor YouTube.
http://malcontent.typepad.com/malcontent/2005/11/lenos_couch_not.html
Oh, hell no. This is the kind of objective reasoning that solidifies my feelings on that book. It's a lovely piece of literature, but it was written by a male-dominated world (and changed by Kings, depending on their particular agenda) who were as intolerant and self-serving as any other cult-head would be.
However, that is merely my take on it. I have no right to tell someone else what they can and cannot believe or how they should feel about a certain book. Their religious journey is not mine to take. I cannot make decisions on their actions for them - I can only decide what my actions will be based on what they do. Locus of control.
My family is Fundie...poor things. I grew up in a Fundie household, so the Bible was shoved down my throat at a very early age. My mother still sends me emails saying she is sad that my son and I will burn in Hell. My son's father is from a family of Orthodox Jews. His sister took me aside after my son was born and told me that they would not recognize our child as their nephew if he wasn't circumcised...because that is their belief. Nothing personal.
This is the kind of fanaticism that causes the most hurt and bitterness. Religious dogma does not work in practice. But it does not make my family evil...it does not make my ex's family evil. It makes them unyielding, thus unable to grow as Human Beings.
But all I can do is respond. I cannot change their beliefs, but I respect their right to have them. After all, they are the ones who are missing out on a beautiful relationship with an amazing child.
As a side note, I think it's hilarious that the Super Mario Brothers Super Show TV Theme is related to this sift. XD
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You couldn't be more wrong. I have a lot of respect for people who ask questions, but even more respect for those who are serious about finding rational answers to them without resorting to clumsy assumptions involving myth and superstition.
Faith is needed at a certain level however, I mean I agree with everything you guys say. I know that religion and all is a strech on our preceptions, I respect all religions and tolerate them all (I can't stand people converting me, its creepy). However I do believe faith is needed. In my extended family alot of my uncles and aunts have reached ripe old ages and retirement. In the closing years of their life they commit to religion and such because they had little less left, their children had grown and moved elsewhere, they could no longer work, they threw themselves selflessly into their communities and turned things around by doing charity and donation work under religion. They didn't do it becuase they were fundamentalists, they did it because they were coming close to crossing over, and in those times of solitude they needed the comfort and support that is offered at most religious gatherings. This is why religion in some sense is important. There is alot of instances where faith is regained because of a particular traumatic experience, I used to belittle such instances of lapse of reason but slowly you understand that for some the shock of lose or death is so great that they cannot cope on their own and need the psychological comfort offered through faith.
And that's all that religion is, psychological comfort. You don't die you progress to either heaven or hell based on your behaviour. Someone is always watching after you. You are never alone. So on and so forth.
My ex, has a deep fear of being alone. Over many covnersations I have had with her, her main driving reason for believing (but not practicing) is the fact that believing makes her feel like she is not alone. And in some people that is such a large psychological controlling factor, that institues faith. She is totally a rational person, but this psychological fear she possess drives this link to religion.
Thats my 2 cents. Myself? Am agnostic, I believe in the life, and not a religion because for all the shit out in the world, you can always go to the edge of the ocean and marvel at the beauty, complexity, and vastness of nature.
I would argue that the majority of all churchgoers do not grapple with the philosophy of faith. They go because they want to be with their neighbor in a community that comforts them. Fundamentalists go because they need an outlet for their fear and their hate.
Organized religion has a lot to answer for throughout history. It has indeed stifled free thinking and encouraged prejudice and complacency. It has also produced great thinkers and amazing art. I wouldn't throw the whole social construct over the myth and superstition ledge.
Snake, people that have made up their minds already aren't searching.
How does one find rational answers to "is there a higher being in existance that helped shaped the universe I live in" without postulating, at least for arguments sake, "if there is a God, what clues will lead me toward proving his/her/it's existence?"
Science cannot satisfy these questions, hence faith.
"If there is a God, what clues will lead me toward proving his/her/it's existence?" is as sensible and rational a question as "If Superman exists, will he come and save me if I'm getting mugged in an alley?" or "If Santa exists, will he get me a GI Joe with Kung Fu Action Grip this Christmas?"
"Science cannot satisfy these questions, hence faith."
Just because the finest scientific minds on our planet can't find the answers to silly, childish questions about obviously fictional, mythological beings (probably because they have far more important questions to answer) it doesn't make sense to just "have faith" that there is a god despite a complete lack of evidence.
Or to put it another way, it makes just as much sense to say that you "have faith" that Santa, Superman, and the Easter Bunny exist.
I'm just glad there are adults around who grew out of fairytales during childhood.
Calling something someone else believes in "childish," "silly," and allude to it not being "important" is what all this hatred and war is about. Insulting another person's lifestyle and/or faith does not make your point clearer or more incisive...it just adds another wedge that separates all of us.
"Can't we all just get along??!"
I can see how people who cling to ridiculous beliefs could be insulted or upset - kids usually take it pretty hard too when they find out Santa doesn't exist - but that wasn't my intention.
You're asking me to respect people's opinions when they believe that obvious fantasy is real, and I can't.
I have nothing personal against swampgirl or anyone else who has beliefs based in the supernatural. I just think they're reacting to fear rather than rational thought.
But good to know you didn't intend to insult anyone.
Hey, I'm not insulted by the way.
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Yep... craaaaaazy!
Ahem...