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court,trial,serial killer,rapist,son,attack,chair,smash,vengeance Courtroom brawl - Son attacks his mom's killer/rapistCourtroom brawl - Son attacks his mom's killer/rapisttags:Here’s a video of a crazy courtroom brawl. The guy in the back attacks a man who raped and then strangled his mother. This courtroom fight takes an unusual turn when the lineman-sized son slams his mother’s killer with a chair. Did he go too far by attacking the guy or did he rightfully take advantage of his last chance to get his hands on the man who destroyed his life?
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As for the killer himself, as horrible as our prisons can be, I still have a hard time justifying keeping people like him alive, costing the taxpayers money and time when he himself deprived 4 people of their lives and many others of their family/friends. The problem is, if even ONE innocent man/woman ever got killed by the death penalty by my view that made/makes anyone who supported the system who killed him, accessories by default. Opinions?
...if the guy had been found beyond the shadow of a doubt, innocent.
That is the standard for proving guilt, not innocence.
The problem is, if even ONE innocent man/woman ever got killed by the death penalty...
It has happened multiple times.
The guy lined up a good shot on the chin and dropped him, everyone else helped the guy off the sidewalk, because he clearly slipped and fell. Cops noted he slipped and fell, and tossed him in the back of the car.
It's something like that, that I hope happens to the son, because that was justified.
>> ^RadHazG:
...if the guy had been found beyond the shadow of a doubt, innocent.
That is the standard for proving guilt, not innocence.
The problem is, if even ONE innocent man/woman ever got killed by the death penalty...
It has happened multiple times.
Actually, I believe the standard for proving guilt in a criminal case is proof beyond a reasonable doubt, not a shadow of a doubt. Beyond a shadow of a doubt is far to high of a bar to set for the justice system, most defendants would be acquitted. In a civil case the usual standard is that a claim is proven or not based on a preponderance of evidence. This is why someone like OJ may be acquitted on criminal charges but lose the related wrongful death suit even though on some level it might be considered double jeopardy.
As for the killer himself, as horrible as our prisons can be, I still have a hard time justifying keeping people like him alive, costing the taxpayers money and time when he himself deprived 4 people of their lives and many others of their family/friends.
I'm sorry, what? You're saying a dehumanizing prison system is desirable? Last I checked, modern law is not about vengeance, but about maintaining social order. There's no place for brutality there.
If I was on the son's jury, I would vote not guilty.
Then you've got no business being on a jury. I understand the son's actions; my aunt was raped and stabbed to death a few years back; but it doesn't mean we turn a blind eye to his actions. I sure as hell don't feel sorry for the defendant, but the law is the law.
Prison justice will play itself out. Rapists are on the low rung of the pecking order in prison.
hahaha what?
pedophiles yes, rapists and murderers no.
I'll pay for a baseball bat with my taxes. I have a problem with paying for lethal injections. These fucking waste of flesh thugs deserve to die, and not have a single chance of existing in society OR in prison. It's a waste of time and money, and both are things we cannot afford. Those guards should be fired for not standing back and letting the guy give this prick the justice he deserves. (Okay, not REALLY fired, but they should at least be ashamed of themselves for not possessing a moral compass. >:[)
Or pay the mafia to have him brutally killed in prison.
Abolishing the death penalty would only mean something if prisoners did hard labor during their entire stay: no TV, no internet, no fancy menu, no law library, maybe a few used books. Other than that, you break rocks into smaller rocks until you're dead or released.
Also, I am aware that innocent men have been put to death by a death penalty in one state or another, I was speaking from a standpoint of the lone case. For this reason, if I was asked on the spot about being for or against, I would have to be against. Until at least we develop a better legal system that can truly prove someone guilty beyond the *shadow* of a doubt, and that person deserves death. Possible? Not likely. But it is the line I have drawn. For now, with reasonable doubt, I can't support it despite how I feel about the drain on taxpayer money.
If we were living in say, Mozambique, where the average person makes 200 bucks a year or something around there, then I could OK the death penalty as a money saving measure. But in the US? Not so much.
ahh im so stupid they must only be effective against helpless victims.
>> ^COriolanus:
If I was on the son's jury, I would vote not guilty.
Then you've got no business being on a jury. I understand the son's actions; my aunt was raped and stabbed to death a few years back; but it doesn't mean we turn a blind eye to his actions. I sure as hell don't feel sorry for the defendant, but the law is the law.
The law is only the law as far as a jury of one's peers is willing to enforce it. The law's basically just an algorithm/script for justice, and you could say it leaves room for a jury of peers to manually fine-tune the application of that script.
Street justice. I understand, I don't condone or condemn.
I condone every single hit and wish that he had gotten in several more.
As for the killer himself, as horrible as our prisons can be, I still have a hard time justifying keeping people like him alive, costing the taxpayers money and time when he himself deprived 4 people of their lives and many others of their family/friends. The problem is, if even ONE innocent man/woman ever got killed by the death penalty by my view that made/makes anyone who supported the system who killed him, accessories by default. Opinions?
It's actually more expensive and time consuming to put people to death. Link.
It has also been shown NOT to be a deterrent; that is, capital offenses do not happen less frequently in areas with the death penalty.
Additionally, if you click through my link above and scroll down to Federal Costs (3rd heading down) you will see that defendants in the lower 3rd of money spent on legal representation (less than $320,000) had a 44% chance of receiving a death sentence. For the upper 2/3rd (spending more than $320,000 on representation), the rate is 19%. Our system is imperfect and skewed toward those with money. It's not something that can necessarily be fixed, but it's not dependable enough to use as a basis to start killing people.
However. All you people braying for prolonged deaths and mutilations and beatings are truly savages. Shall we just go back to the days of public hangings shall we? Fucking hell.