Probably a dupe of http://www.videosift.com/video/Wary-Cat-is-Wary even if there is new background music (which is horrible )

>> ^gwiz665:
Probably a dupe of http://www.videosift.com/video/Wary-Cat-is-Wary even if there is new background music (which is horrible )


IIRC only the background music would be enough to not make it a dupe, but this version also isn't as long, so I won't discard it.

the cat is still too damn cute!!

From the FAQ:

"Duplicates will be discarded. A duplicate video is one which contains content already on VideoSift in a published, queued, personal queued, or dead video submission. Minor changes in content, like a few additional insignificant seconds of video or alternate background music, will still be considered dupes. The only exception to this is if the change in audio makes a significant difference to the video content."

So, I agree with gwiz. Dupe.

I thought the acid remark and the music made it funny in a new way.

"...The only exception to this is if the change in audio makes a significant difference to the video content."

the new music deliberately gives a new feel to the video. no dupe.

dupe not drugs

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Uh... it's a shorter version of the same exact video with different audio. The audio makes no significant difference to the content. I don't think it would be fair to just discard it, but I'd like to *discuss it and reach a final decision on whether or not it is a dupe.

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This vid is synced to music, the other had no music. Case closed. *return

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It's not only shorter, it's edited.
The cat's head actually moves to the beat of the song!

edit:
>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
This vid is synced to music, the other had no music. Case closed. return


Hadn't seen this when I posted.

Merely adding new audio is a sufficient change in my opinion, but the movements are hilarious. Thanks for pointing that out. Great vid. *promote

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DFT, you know I don't mean to be an ass, but how does one man's opinion mean "case closed"?

I think it's a dupe in that it's not different enough. *discuss.

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>> ^MarineGunrock:
DFT, you know I don't mean to be an ass, but how does one man's opinion mean "case closed"?
I think it's a dupe in that it's not different enough. discuss.


I'll just make the same argument again:

It's not only shorter, it's edited.
The cat's head actually moves to the beat of the song!
This version goes for more cat jumps and head bobbing, the original has way more sitting and looking around.

It's a borderline case for sure. I think we've set precedence with other videos that shows this as a dupe, but I'm not certain. It's edits from the same video as the other one, and in my opinion the edits and music doesn't add enough to make it not a dupe. So my vote is for dupe.

So, that's weird - it's in sift talk and the published area simultaneously.

Anyway - it looks like a dupe to me. Shorter vids generally have been considered not dupes only if the original is 'long'. Background music is irrelevant, although, there is precedent for it if the music specifically adds to the content - arvana's duck herding vid vs the original duck stampede. Of course, that precedent wasn't really discussed in any meaningful way.

>> ^gwiz665:
It's a borderline case for sure. I think we've set precedence with other videos that shows this as a dupe, but I'm not certain. It's edits from the same video as the other one, and in my opinion the edits and music doesn't add enough to make it not a dupe. So my vote is for dupe.


If edits and music still don't save it from being a dupe, what does?

" Minor changes in content, like a few additional insignificant seconds of video or alternate background music, will still be considered dupes. The only exception to this is if the change in audio makes a significant difference to the video content."
This is a pretty big change in content (50% of the other video was cut, and this has some clever editing) and also adds music that is actually in sync to the cats movements (I call that a significant difference).

When was the last time any of you have made love to a woman?

Seriously?! We do this at least once every two or three weeks where someone * discusses a video because the audio has been changed or some other reason and every single time (EVERY SINGLE TIME) it is returned because the consensus is always the same: It's not a dupe! Please can we just * return this and stop discussing videos like these. If it has different music it's not a dupe. Like it or not, that has been agreed upon.

* return * return * return

>> ^diction:
If edits and music still don't save it from being a dupe, what does?

Something that actually contributes a meaningful change. Here's an example:

http://www.videosift.com/video/Monkey-Waiters-in-Japan
http://www.videosift.com/video/Monkey-waiters-in-Japanese-restaurant

While both of those clips share mostly the same video, except one has commentary added that explains what is going on. Something significant is added with narration and backstory. With this video, it is the same clip shortened with background music. Accepting that as a significant change means we can have multiple copies of all the generic football in the groin type videos (or any other common popular clips) as long as someone shortened it and added different music.

Edit for Blankfist

So then change the part of the FAQ that says: "Minor changes in content, like a few additional insignificant seconds of video or alternate background music, will still be considered dupes." That should clear the problem up.

^Or let's not change the FAQ and go on what we've all learned in the past from discussing ad nauseum this same tired dupe/not dupe argument. *return. And it just had to be discussed when his video was promoted, too. Lame.

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>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
When is the last time any of you have made love to a woman?

ask your mom.


>> ^blankfist:
every single time (EVERY SINGLE TIME) it is returned because the consensus is always the same: It's not a dupe!

No, they tend to get returned because someone decides a consensus has been reached when none in fact has. I count at least 5 people that consider this a dupe, and 4 that do not (including the submitter). Is that a consensus? If 5-to-4 is considered a consensus, then we should discard it right now. But I'd rather see some others weigh in on the matter.

If it has different music it's not a dupe. Like it or not, that has been agreed upon.

Agreed by whom? The FAQ and many users say otherwise.

>> ^jonny:
>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
When is the last time any of you have made love to a woman?
ask your mom.

>> ^blankfist:
every single time (EVERY SINGLE TIME) it is returned because the consensus is always the same: It's not a dupe!
No, they tend to get returned because someone decides a consensus has been reached when none in fact has. I count at least 5 people that consider this a dupe, and 4 that do not (including the submitter). Is that a consensus? If 5-to-4 is considered a consensus, then we should discard it right now. But I'd rather see some others weigh in on the matter.
If it has different music it's not a dupe. Like it or not, that has been agreed upon.
Agreed by whom? The FAQ and many users say otherwise.


Check out all the upvotes this got (in the brief period when it wasn't in the sift talk), I think people are liking the video, even quite a few who upvoted the original video as well.

You mean like this one where the dupe was discarded after lengthy discussion?

http://www.videosift.com/video/Most-AMAZING-graphics-tech-demo-youll-ever-see-under-180kb

and

http://www.videosift.com/video/In-Russia-Traffic-Camera-Laughs-At-You
http://www.videosift.com/video/Moscow-Car-Tunnel-Crazy-Drivers

http://www.videosift.com/video/My-Mom-Said-I-Could-Amusing-Commerical
http://www.videosift.com/video/Boy-can-do-whatever-he-wants-Mom-says-oui-oui-Condom-ad

http://www.videosift.com/talk/The-sift-needs-concrete-rules-on-dupes

It's a dupe imo
and just because it's getting votes doesn't change it. I've seen exact dupes with more votes than this discarded.
Not a big issue for me either way.

I vote not a dupe.

The music adds a lot to the video. Makes it seem like he's dancing at a discotech or something.

But that's just me.

>> ^Lurch:
You mean like this one where the dupe was discarded after lengthy discussion?
http://www.videosift.com/video/Most-AMAZING-graphics-
tech-demo-youll-ever-see-under-180kb
and
http://www.videosift.com/video/In-Russia-Traffic-Camera-Laughs-At-You

http://www.videosift.com/video/Moscow-Car-Tunnel-Crazy-Drivers
http://www.videosift.com/video/My-Mom-Said-I-Could-Amusing-Commerical

http://www.videosift.com/video/Boy-can-do-whatever-he-wa
nts-Mom-says-oui-oui-Condom-ad
http://www.videosift.com/talk/The-sift-needs-concrete-rules-on-dupes

Those are all the same exact video to a different song.
What we're arguing here is that a different song and actually editing the footage to match it is enough for the video to not be considered a dupe. If you think the difference is just the song, you're not watching the videos closely enough.

I agree that the music adds to this. It is synced to the video. I say not dupe.

On another note, don't give LSD to cats. It acts as a neurotoxin to them. They die.

comment from the peanut gallery:

I didn't see the first video. I got to see this one. I enjoyed it.

So............does it really matter if it's a dupe? I mean, jeez, it's not like the original poster of the original video is making a commission off it or anything. Lighten up people.

--dark comment redacted-- sorry diction

Well, that was pretty pointless, wasn't it.

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I vote not a dupe - normally a bland music piece does not distinuish the peice however the joke is the cat is tripping and its funny!

If we want the idea of a self-regulating community to work, then this will happen once in a while. It's not pointless, it is the very basis that videosift rests on.

Anyways, trippy cat is trippy.

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
Well, that was pretty pointless, wasn't it.

Looks to me like he dropped MDMA and then tried Meth for the first time.

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
Well, that was pretty pointless, wasn't it.

>> ^gwiz665:
If we want the idea of a self-regulating community to work, then this will happen once in a while. It's not pointless, it is the very basis that videosift rests on.

Indeed - as has been noted before, these basically need to be handled on a case-by-case basis, because it's definitely a grey area. I wouldn't call it a consensus necessarily (7/6 in favor of not a dupe, I think?), but certainly a larger number of users were allowed to chime in before someone made an "executive" decision. Community in action - who'd've thunk it?

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
I can't imagine fucking an urn full of ashes could feel all that good, but considering no living human would fuck you, I suppose it's worth a try.

Oh, I'm sure I could get your dirty ass bent over in front of me, but I suspect the urn would be more exciting and rewarding.

*promote this awesomeness that most certainly is NOT a dupe.

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