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And the request to take off the trousers was evidently meant to humiliate that innocent child. Israel should be ashamed.
More on this story here: http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/17/17053/1.html (unfortunately in german).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussam_Abdo
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3899015.stm
"Israeli roadblocks are a deplorable human rights violation. It's a affront to humanity to control passage from one state to another."
A necessary evil. It's a good thing they stopped him from blowing up in the middle of a city.
"And the request to take off the trousers was evidently meant to humiliate that innocent child. Israel should be ashamed."
He could be wearing more explosives. Of course they have to be certain.
I know this type of thing happens more often than the American press will EVER report, but it still saddens me every time I see something like this. And yet I hope I NEVER get used to it. I'd feel a little less human if I did.
Am genuinely surprised they didn't just shoot him. That's the usual response I have been used to hearing from Israel. So I guess that is a good sign.
Guess they would have been a bit hesitant with the news crew there. Heard certain human rights organizations are handing out video cameras to Palestinians in the West Bank so they can provide evidence of them being illegally expropriated from their land in court.
Israeli roadblocks are a deplorable human rights violation. It's a affront to humanity to control passage from one state to another.
And the request to take off the trousers was evidently meant to humiliate that innocent child. Israel should be ashamed.
You say this after just watching this clip, where it is stated that 4 other such attempts have been caught at this checkpoint alone. The affront to humanity is the monsters attaching bombs to children's chests and trying to send them into cities. This checkpoint stop not only saved the child's life, but likely saved a lot of civilians as well. If your gonna call this video proof of Israeli atrocities it in fact says a lot more about your own world view.
Once again religion shows it's ugly side.
once again, ugly shows its ugly side.
there, fixed that for ya.
if you think this happens because of "religion" then you are ... oversimplifying.
Nah, the israeli military has no qualms about censorship or shooting (to kill) reporters.
>> ^RedSky: Guess they would have been a bit hesitant with the news crew there.
Nah, the israeli military has no qualms about censorship or shooting (to kill) reporters.
Yeah, let's bash Israel over a clip about how their checkpoints stop a 14 year-old suicide bomber saving not only civilians, but the poor kid's life as well.
Isreali oppression creates these attacks, make no mistake about that.
Neither the Isreali people, nor the Isreali newspapers support the actions of the Isreali military, the checkpoints, the human rights abuses, or the terrorism of Palestine.
Isreali oppression creates these attacks, make no mistake about that.
Forgive me, but the tiny bits of truth in your statement are blown away by the ignorance it portrays. The distinction between the Israeli military and the Israeli people is extremely small, as virtually every male Israeli has served in it at one point and is part of the permanent emergency reserve.
If you want to blame the Palestinian situation on Israel, your ignorant or racist as it's just a tad more complicated than all that. If you want to blame the suicide bombings on checkpoints though, that's a whole different ball game. You can thank Hamas and Syria for that.
That comment is both ignorant and fucking insulting.
Hamas is a democratically elected government who have fought the occupying Isreali forces off the Palestinan streets for years. They have defended their country and that is why they have the support of the Palestinians.
Sorry, but it isn't more complicated than that. Isreal is terrorising Palestine and has done for years. There is a huge movement in Ireland supporting the Palestinian people and educating people about the realities of the situation.
There is a HUGE distinction between the Isreali people and the actions of their military, they do not support it, they are deeply ashamed of it.
Hamas is a democratically elected government who have fought the occupying Isreali forces off the Palestinan streets for years. They have defended their country and that is why they have the support of the Palestinians.
Sorry, but it isn't more complicated than that. Isreal is terrorising Palestine and has done for years. There is a huge movement in Ireland supporting the Palestinian people and educating people about the realities of the situation.
Go read Hamas founding charter and tell me again about how great they are.
Millions of Palestinian refugees, illegal landgrabbing, terrorism, bulldozing down houses and Isreali tanks on Palestinian streets isn't complicated.
I've heard the historical and religious argument about Isreal and Palestine, maybe it's about time people started calling it for what it is. It's a land grab.
Here we go with the 'racist' or 'liberal' or 'conspiracy theorist' labelling again.
Millions of Palestinian refugees, illegal landgrabbing, terrorism, bulldozing down houses and Isreali tanks on Palestinian streets isn't complicated.
I've heard the historical and religious argument about Isreal and Palestine, maybe it's about time people started calling it for what it is. It's a land grab.
I agree, land grab is most certainly what it amounts to. The land Israel has beyond it's 1948 borders has all been taken by it in wars to gain strategic protection to survive against hostile neighbors.
As for millions of Palestinian lives, your forgetting to blame the better part of the dead refugees on lack of aid from Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt.
>> ^Pprt:
Israeli roadblocks are a deplorable human rights violation. It's a affront to humanity to control passage from one state to another.
And the request to take off the trousers was evidently meant to humiliate that innocent child. Israel should be ashamed.
You say this after just watching this clip, where it is stated that 4 other such attempts have been caught at this checkpoint alone. The affront to humanity is the monsters attaching bombs to children's chests and trying to send them into cities. This checkpoint stop not only saved the child's life, but likely saved a lot of civilians as well. If your gonna call this video proof of Israeli atrocities it in fact says a lot more about your own world view.
I guess I'm losing my touch at thinly-veiled sarcasm.
>> ^srd:
>> ^RedSky: Guess they would have been a bit hesitant with the news crew there.
Nah, the israeli military has no qualms about censorship or shooting (to kill) reporters.
Yeah, let's bash Israel over a clip about how their checkpoints stop a 14 year-old suicide bomber saving not only civilians, but the poor kid's life as well.
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Well, correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think the checkpoints are there to save disturbed and/or retarded 14-year old Palestinian kids.
And why would Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt be responsible for Palestinian lives? I’ve never seen any other neighbouring countries being blamed for what happened on their doorstep. Where the Netherlands ever blamed for what happened in Northern Ireland, or Switzerland for the millions killed in nazi-occupied Europe?
And please don’t call people ignorant racists just because they disagree with you.
>> ^bcglorf:
>> ^srd:
>> ^RedSky: Guess they would have been a bit hesitant with the news crew there.
Nah, the israeli military has no qualms about censorship or shooting (to kill) reporters.
Yeah, let's bash Israel over a clip about how their checkpoints stop a 14 year-old suicide bomber saving not only civilians, but the poor kid's life as well.
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Well, correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think the checkpoints are there to save disturbed and/or retarded 14-year old Palestinian kids.
And why would Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt be responsible for Palestinian lives? I’ve never seen any other neighbouring countries being blamed for what happened on their doorstep. Where the Netherlands ever blamed for what happened in Northern Ireland, or Switzerland for the millions killed in nazi-occupied Europe?
And please don’t call people ignorant racists just because they disagree with you.
If you don't think Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt have any responsibility to the Palestinian people then you are ignorant. They were the nations that encouraged the Palestinian people to leave their land in the first place. Then after the war, they treated the Palestinian refugees within their borders every bit as poorly as Israel. One of the biggest complaints leveled against Israel is failing to allow aid into Palestine through it's borders, and yet none of the other neighboring nations are allowing aid in either. Unless Syrian munitions count as aid...
So by your logic, if Switzerland would’ve encouraged people to leave nazi-Germany it would’ve been responsible for anything else that happened to those people afterwards? No matter how badly Palestinians are treated in the neighbouring countries (I do agree in general on that point, but you might want to take a look at Jordan; at least one Palestinian over there is now a queen), if their situation in those countries is not much better, or maybe even worse, than it would be in Israel/PA, why don’t the Palestinians return... *rhetorical question mark*
But all that is beside the point. If something, anything bad happens to people in their own country, why would the neighbouring countries be more responsible than the government of the country itself?
Anyway, thanks for calling me just ignorant and not racist ;-).
@bcglorf
So by your logic, if Switzerland would’ve encouraged people to leave nazi-Germany it would’ve been responsible for anything else that happened to those people afterwards? No matter how badly Palestinians are treated in the neighbouring countries (I do agree in general on that point, but you might want to take a look at Jordan; at least one Palestinian over there is now a queen), if their situation in those countries is not much better, or maybe even worse, than it would be in Israel/PA, why don’t the Palestinians return... rhetorical question mark
But all that is beside the point. If something, anything bad happens to people in their own country, why would the neighbouring countries be more responsible than the government of the country itself?
Anyway, thanks for calling me just ignorant and not racist ;-).
Your analogy to Switzerland is badly flawed. When Israel declared it's independence in '48, it was agreeing to abide by the UN sanctioned borders for separate Israeli and Palestinian nations. The surrounding nations are guilty for not accepting that land for Palestine and instead encouraging them to flee while they reclaimed the entirety for Palestine. When that war failed and Israel actually gained some land, the surrounding nations took control of all the 'Palestinian' land that Israel didn't, effectively dissolving Palestine into refugee camps in Israeli, Lebanese, Syrian and Jordanian controlled land.
The surrounding nations are guilty because they took more Palestinian land than Israel, and unilaterally decided that the UN mandated borders for Israel and Palestine were intolerable. I don't understand how Israel is solely responsible for defending itself in war and holding strategically important land they gained in those wars as protection against future invasion. When Israel gained control of most of the occupied territories they were controlled not by palestinians, but by Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt. And those surrounding nations where staging armies on that land and/or launching attacks from them.