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burdturgler says...

I guess it's just semantics. I'm sorry for making an issue of it, especially since it seems that anytime I speak here I'm confronted by a psychopathic sock puppet.

jonny said:

I'm not really making an argument, just critiquing the one offered in the video. As Lucky points out, we're in agreement that it is ridiculous to compare territorial conquest by military force to immigration. My last statement about how the parrot protestors could respond is to point out the absurdity of that comparison (and to point out their ignorance in regards to the benefits of immigration). I also agree with Lucky's interpretation of the guy's message and with the message itself.

From a moral perspective, I don't believe that successfully taking something by force is self-justifying. On the other hand, the use of force at the level of geopolitics is often self-justifying, even if we find it morally repugnant as individuals.

Native American Shuts Down Anti-Illegal Immigrant Protest

burdturgler says...

You're argument is flawed as well. Generally speaking, people immigrating here (legally or not) aren't trying to take military control over the country. They just want a better life. To compare a group of impoverished "huddled masses, yearning to breath free," to a military force is ridiculous. Do you seriously equate illegal immigration to military invasion? Do you think Mexicans coming to the US should roll over the border with tanks and stealth bombers in order to pick our apples and dig our onions out of the dirt?

Your words suggest that anything taken by force is justified.

jonny said:

There is a serious flaw in this guy's argument. He's absolutely right that Europeans weren't invited here and committed genocide in order to colonize. But that doesn't really have anything to do with immigration. The land was taken from his ancestors by force. If any of the nutters he's yelling at were capable of thought beyond that of a parrot, they might point out that those who wish to immigrate illegally are free to try to take it by force themselves.

Native American Shuts Down Anti-Illegal Immigrant Protest

Native American Shuts Down Anti-Illegal Immigrant Protest

Native American Shuts Down Anti-Illegal Immigrant Protest



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