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Lewis Black on Letterman (feb ´08)
F*ck the new world order, let's help the suckers, and stop all the damn pretending.
To Believe, or Not To Believe, that is the Question... (Religion Talk Post)
^The Philosophical Zombie argument, which you've described, bluecliff, is an old philosophical classic. There's a difference between "can't know" and "don't know". There are many theories as to consciousness, but how to find out which is right and wrong is pretty difficult. Daniel Dennett's heterophenomenology seems to be the best way forward, because it covers all the bases we have available at this point in time, the multiple drafts theory is in my mind the best explanation to date about consciousness, but there's no "hard evidence" to point in any direction.
The "proof" we have that there IS a consciousness is based on our personal introspective; I know I have a consciousness, because I'm thinking right now; this explanation, however, is unverifiable, as far as I know, and is not really enough to make a claim one way or the other. If I were a philosophical zombie - a being that does exactly what a "real" person would do, but with no "inner life" - I would still act as if I HAD an inner life and thoughts and so on.
It may very well be that there actually is no consciousness as a thing in itself, but only an emergent behavior caused by our brain's different parts, and that we are all philosophical zombies without knowing it.
The point I'm trying to make, is that subjective evidence is not good evidence. Your mind can be tricked very easily, which is why the scientific method involves multiple tests and controlled environments. Uri Geller may SEEM like he can bend spoons with his mind, so the subjective evidence is that he can; in a controlled environment, however, he is a fraud as all "magicians" who claim they aren't making illusions.
Yes but you said you needed evidence...
What I was trying to point out is that there is no evidence for many such matters, and that "belief" is, in a way, part of "knowing".
You still have to believe in the evidence, and you can never remove the subjective part of knowledge
... and even if you could, it would, in my mind, be actually detrimental to the knowledge we have
(also, the problem I see with - emergent behavior, is the problem of - who observes the behavior, and what exactly, makes this behavior "emergent")
If extra-terrestrials contacted us, what would we say?
To Believe, or Not To Believe, that is the Question... (Religion Talk Post)
>> ^bluecliff:
>> ^gwiz665:
All the evidence presented to me indicates that there exists no supernatural being (a god), thus my conclusion is that there is no god. If any evidence has been introduced to other people, I would like to be shown this so that my conclusion can be strengthened or invalidated.
Isn't the meaning of faith precisely that there IS no evidence...
"Evidence" and the metaphysical don't go together, it's beyond experimental verification - most good things are...
For example...?
The fact that you in no way can actually know that other people arent mindless robots. There is no "proof" for consciousness.
(this is a tangled problem, because it depends on you definition of consciousness, but it's a classic example)
This is also a clasical theory, Platos, one of the oldest (in the western tradition)
i quote it from wikkipedia -
"In a notion derived from Plato's dialogue Theaetetus, philosophy has traditionally defined knowledge as justified true belief. The relationship between belief and knowledge is that a belief is knowledge if the belief is true, and if the believer has a justification (reasonable and necessarily plausible assertions/evidence/guidance) for believing it is true."
The presumption is -
you have to actively believe in something to "have" knowledge
otherwise you could theoretically state
that you know something, but that you don't believe in it, which is problematic, to say the least.
Jewish Surf Rock - Hava Nagila / Miserlou
"Antigone" with Irene Papas - sealed in a Cave
Jewish Surf Rock - Hava Nagila / Miserlou
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miserlou
To Believe, or Not To Believe, that is the Question... (Religion Talk Post)
All the evidence presented to me indicates that there exists no supernatural being (a god), thus my conclusion is that there is no god. If any evidence has been introduced to other people, I would like to be shown this so that my conclusion can be strengthened or invalidated.
Isn't the meaning of faith precisely that there IS no evidence...
"Evidence" and the metaphysical don't go together, it's beyond experimental verification - most good things are...
The curse of faith - Pat Condell
Hey Pat, stop being so "protestant"!
Atheistic christianity ftw!
Sci-Fi Film Reccomendations (Cinema Talk Post)
Have you seen Stalker, or Solaris?
Thers also a strange Polish/Japanese movie that's Tarkovsy-ish - Avalon, about videogames in the future.
(I myself am not actually a Tarkovsky fan)
Pat Condell - Islam is not a victim
Pat Condell lots of hot steam. Nothing constructive.
Or de-strucitve, for that matter.
Truly, words have no power.
Even though the mountain becomes the sea,
Words cannot open another's mind.
Sarzy
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Is it even possible to see this without thinking about WALL-E? That is such a great film. *promote
Penn and Teller - Bullsh*t - Safer America
Dita Von Teese New Orleans Burlesque StripTease Performance
She doesn't move, she doesn't dance, she just strips - and badly!
If she was truly talanted she could make porn look like art, instead she succeeds in making art look like porn.
Marxism 101
Luxury for the top 5% of the population?
A historical HIGH in poverty and starvation, worse than anything seen before. I mean, the crusades, the jihads and all the historical calamities are horse-shit compared to the ugly mess thats going on today.
Capitalism doesn't even allow men to be slaves (which they de facto are) A slave had value in himself, but a worker has none, its only his labor that has value, and this, unlike a slaves, can be bought and then discarded, creating a vicious cycle. A slave WAS property, but a worker is even less - only his disembodied TIME has any worth.
And even in developed countries - what has capitalism provided for the average man?
Clinical depression, loss of meaning, a sedentary lifestyle filled with neurosis, stress and fear.