We don't want none of your commonsense around in these parts. We'd much rather not burden ourselves with paying people what they deserve for the service they give me, but instead moan and complain until someone else has to pay for it. That will make life better for us, so stop fucking that up with your reason and good principles!!
In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday: I've got to side with the business on this one. If you go to a restaurant that requires you tip, then don't act surprised and angry at the end of the meal when you get your bill.
>> ^Xax: Perhaps the patrons were simply confused. Which is it: a mandatory fee, or a gratuity? It can't be both. If they want to charge an 18% service fee, that's what they need to call it -- and make sure patrons are aware of it before being served, and then deliver the good service they're charging for. If patrons don't receive what they pay for, should they be required to pay it?
If I got my hair cut, paid the girl that cuts my hair twenty bucks tip, then later that day called my bank to cancel the charge because I disliked the service, wouldn't I be in the wrong? What if I agree to a mandatory 15% gratuity before ordering the meal, then eat all the food I order and decide to not pay the gratuity because I disliked the service?
The subtle difference between these two is that in one instance you have an opportunity to "experience" the service before tipping and the other you agree to tip beforehand. Either way, you agree to it.
In my personal opinion, if the management knows anything about good business, they should just comp the patrons and be done with it. Nothing good comes from taking a moral position against the customer. Ever.
>> ^xxovercastxx: How is arbitrarily multiplying the bill by 1.18 any different than raising the prices? Aside from not being apparent ahead of time, that is.
Because they don't add the gratuity unless there's a larger group of X amount or more. I've explained that a couple times. I'm not sure why you're jumping to the conclusion everywhere you go they add a compulsory gratuity to your meal. It's only under certain conditions.
I'm pretty sure they knew of the mandatory gratuity. It's most likely on the menu, large parties are typically told when they are seated, and precedent has been set in the industry over this, so this isn't an isolated case.
The manager should've refunded their money or revoked the gratuity. Still, he's not obligated to do so seeing how the price was agreed upon, and thus in the long run his bad business decision will probably cost him.
Wow, where do all you people live that you have such terrible service? I have had bad service maybe once in every eighty times I go out. And even then it's not abysmal, just not great.
I'll be sure to stay away from wherever it is you're all at. Did I hear someone say the great "make better society" Europe?
^Well, most people tip. If they bring a large group of ten people, I think most of them are okay with a compulsory gratuity. If not, then they can go home and get the food from the grocery store and cook it themselves OR find a restaurant that doesn't have a compulsory gratuity.
No. Your words were "make better society". As in "let us social engineer society the way we want it." And then you thumped your chest with your continental pride of Europe.
My point was if you don't want to eat in a restaurant that has a mandatory tip for parties over a described number, then don't visit it. You have options; don't be so arrogant. A small business cannot levy a tax. I don't know where you're getting this bad information. They can only add charges. I wish my ass had lips like yours.
It's easy to complain about a business when you've never invested money in a venture yourself. Most business owners are NOT billionaire fat cats with top hats and monocles. Most are working to make a living, and a lot of restauranteurs make less than the servers because of the debt and having to pay worker salaries first before paying theirs.
That aside, when these customers sat down to order they agreed to the mandatory tip. It would've been wise for the restaurant to comp them when they complained, but they certainly are not obligated to do so.
I rarely tip less than 20% unless the service is terrible. Even when mandatory I tend to add to it. I suppose I should move to Europe where they "make better society" and then I'd never have to reward people for their good work.
^Spoken like someone who has never taken a financial risk in their life. When you open your restaurant, gwiz, you can do it that way if you like. But, the system is set up so the wait staff makes most of their money from gratuity.
Better wages wouldn't really work in the food industry. It's a tough racket, and restauranteurs typically couldn't afford to pay the wait staff minimum wage. And raising the menu prices would mean less customers and eventually less customers eating out.
Most parties over five or so have a mandatory gratuity. Boo on the restaurant for not comping them if the customer is dissatisfied with the service, but a major BOO on these sense of entitlement meat globs for complaining so fervently over a dish being an hour late and having to get napkins. I'm sure if they asked the waitress for napkins, she would've done it for them, but these self-important ass clowns probably couldn't wait because AMERICAN PRINCESSES DON'T WAIT FOR NO ONE!!!!
Yeah. Be nice to your food servicers. It's a thankless job and the tips hardly make up for the frustration.
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I've got to side with the business on this one. If you go to a restaurant that requires you tip, then don't act surprised and angry at the end of the meal when you get your bill.
Couple Arrested for Not Paying Tip
Perhaps the patrons were simply confused. Which is it: a mandatory fee, or a gratuity? It can't be both. If they want to charge an 18% service fee, that's what they need to call it -- and make sure patrons are aware of it before being served, and then deliver the good service they're charging for. If patrons don't receive what they pay for, should they be required to pay it?
If I got my hair cut, paid the girl that cuts my hair twenty bucks tip, then later that day called my bank to cancel the charge because I disliked the service, wouldn't I be in the wrong? What if I agree to a mandatory 15% gratuity before ordering the meal, then eat all the food I order and decide to not pay the gratuity because I disliked the service?
The subtle difference between these two is that in one instance you have an opportunity to "experience" the service before tipping and the other you agree to tip beforehand. Either way, you agree to it.
In my personal opinion, if the management knows anything about good business, they should just comp the patrons and be done with it. Nothing good comes from taking a moral position against the customer. Ever.
>> ^xxovercastxx:
How is arbitrarily multiplying the bill by 1.18 any different than raising the prices? Aside from not being apparent ahead of time, that is.
Because they don't add the gratuity unless there's a larger group of X amount or more. I've explained that a couple times. I'm not sure why you're jumping to the conclusion everywhere you go they add a compulsory gratuity to your meal. It's only under certain conditions.
Couple Arrested for Not Paying Tip
I'm pretty sure they knew of the mandatory gratuity. It's most likely on the menu, large parties are typically told when they are seated, and precedent has been set in the industry over this, so this isn't an isolated case.
The manager should've refunded their money or revoked the gratuity. Still, he's not obligated to do so seeing how the price was agreed upon, and thus in the long run his bad business decision will probably cost him.
It's not rocket science.
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Couple Arrested for Not Paying Tip
Couple Arrested for Not Paying Tip
I'll be sure to stay away from wherever it is you're all at. Did I hear someone say the great "make better society" Europe?
Couple Arrested for Not Paying Tip
Couple Arrested for Not Paying Tip
Couple Arrested for Not Paying Tip
I think you are twisting my words.
No. Your words were "make better society". As in "let us social engineer society the way we want it." And then you thumped your chest with your continental pride of Europe.
My point was if you don't want to eat in a restaurant that has a mandatory tip for parties over a described number, then don't visit it. You have options; don't be so arrogant. A small business cannot levy a tax. I don't know where you're getting this bad information. They can only add charges. I wish my ass had lips like yours.
Couple Arrested for Not Paying Tip
That aside, when these customers sat down to order they agreed to the mandatory tip. It would've been wise for the restaurant to comp them when they complained, but they certainly are not obligated to do so.
I rarely tip less than 20% unless the service is terrible. Even when mandatory I tend to add to it. I suppose I should move to Europe where they "make better society" and then I'd never have to reward people for their good work.
Couple Arrested for Not Paying Tip
Better wages wouldn't really work in the food industry. It's a tough racket, and restauranteurs typically couldn't afford to pay the wait staff minimum wage. And raising the menu prices would mean less customers and eventually less customers eating out.
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Couple Arrested for Not Paying Tip
Yeah. Be nice to your food servicers. It's a thankless job and the tips hardly make up for the frustration.
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Tom's Quality Comfort -puppy sodomization & air conditioning (Blog Entry by dag)
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