Man, Japan really can out crazy any other nation in the world without even trying.
The U.S. trying to make crazy shit like this is sort of like man trying to fly like the birds.. best we can do is a hang glider or airplane, which works, but it's nothing like what comes naturally to a bird.
You could tell how upset she was, shaking and slightly intimidated by her own feelings on the issue. Whereas Mr. whatisface was sitting there like a smiling robot.
This just goes to show how... is desperate the right word?... How delusional and desperate the conservatives are. If Rush Limbaugh doesn't speak for all conservatives (as I've heard some conservatives tell me) then we should use the same argument Conservatives use against Muslims.
If Rush doesn't speak for all conservatives, then why don't the reasonable conservatives stand up against him? He is reflecting badly on the entire conservative sector. If they really didn't want him saying those things in the name of conservatism, they would stand up to him. And the more he rants like this, the more he alienates all but the most idiotic, conspiracy laden, Glenn Beck listening, dangerous fringe of their group.
WP, you have so many arguable points there that you state as fact, it is rather intimidating, which is no doubt why you went to such lengths.
Just to mix it up, I'll do yours in reverse.
^Winstonfield_Pennypacker: ..I'd say your opinion of the Republican party's unity is somewhat exaggerated. There are innumerable factions in the GOP. The Democrat as I see it is far more efficient about corralling in thier 'mavericks'. This whole health care debate has only gotten this far because of the extremist fringe Democrats stomping on the necks of the moderates.
So during the Bush years, when Dixie chicks were called terrorists, when anyone who had an opposing view was universally considered by the right as 'empowering' the terrorists, when people who had objections to the Patriot Act were told vote for this or 9/11 will happen again... those were not 'neck-stomping' tactics as you so racially.. er... cleverly put it?
What about when all the protests occurred when the President was going to 'indoctrinate' our children in schools? Several news outlets interviewed principals who had taken calls from concerned parents, and while they were used to dealing with upset parents, what made it so special was how all the parents used the same phrases over and over, as if they had all heard it somewhere. Hmmmm... I wonder how that might have happened?
Neolib talking points come from a variety of musicians, but the song is always the exact same song. Similarly, right wing talking points come from from way more sources than just Limbaugh & Beck but the message is almost identical.
Are you suggesting that all people who feel the way you describe throughout your comment are 'Neolibs'? Are you not the same man who had four or five different flavors of conservative just to make sure your views weren't mixed in with all the plebians? Are you at least willing to admit that sometimes people who are not 'Neolib' (which means whatever conservatives think it means I guess) might possible share some of the same opinions on things? You are being either accidentally imprecise there, or deliberately accusatory hoping to put people on the defensive. You should probably look into that.
Still, to suggest the Democrats are even half as organized and on point as Republicans does not agree with the facts at hand. Republicans were able to push through controversial policies much more effectively than the Democrats have so far... that is almost solely due to their speaking with one voice, vs the Democrats all listening to all sides and giving and taking.. thereby weakening their relative position.
Most voters are sheep who join a "big party" and they are too consumed with cheering on their 'team' than caring whether their team is a bunch of self-serving jackasses. It is very similar to the tunnel vision fanboi-ism rampant in modern US sports. "Kobe Bryant is a rapist? M'eh - who cares as long as he wins games..." Sigh.
I've been guilty of going off point myself, so I won't mock or question your use of Kobe Bryant's crimes as if it were somehow meant to be on topic. We are fellow independents... and I would have gladly voted Ron Paul in the last primaries if Kentucky would allow Independent voters to vote during primaries.. alas it was not to be. I voted for the person most likely to let me live my life unimpeded.. and ironically, it was the 'big government Democrat'.
The vast bulk of American voters are fiscal conservatives who want smaller government, balanced budgets, less spending, & lower taxes. Sadly, all we end up with are left wing liberal extremist tax & spenders like Bush & Obama.
Okay... now I know you're kidding... Bush was a left wing liberal??? And you still call yourself moderate? That has to be a joke. For what it's worth, I'm all for smaller government, it is a sad day when I have to vote Democratic to get it. Give me a viable Independent candidate or Ron Paul and I'll be all over it. But until then you can only judge the choices you are given.
There are more ways to approach 'peace' than the neolib world view accepts.
There was a lot more about your comment than I quoted, and while I disagree with your statement that Carter was a Neolib (because that terminology wasn't even in use then) I agree there are many ways to pursue peace. What I'm curious about is that obviously the way Bush did it (pissing off the world, and when they objected telling them to eat sh*t and die) didn't work, perhaps we should try something different.
Or to quote you back, "There are more ways to approach 'peace' than the neoCON world view accepts."
Oh, and the guy who's doing it won a peace prize thanks to his efforts. I'm pretty sure if you want to know if you are promoting peace, you ask other countries.. just like if you want to know if someone isn't an asshole, you don't ask him, you ask people who know him.
Wow.. this is hard WP, kudos for doing this all the time.
>> ^brycewi19: I love hearing a rational conservative talk (especially on health care). The United States needs two healthy parties.
I'm really rooting for the conservatives to pull their act together, dump their extremists, and join the good fight in doing proper checks-and-balances with the dems so we can all act like adults again.
This was a nice step.
ABSOLUTELY. I couldn't agree more, rational and measured debate is some of the most invigorating and empowering stuff in politics. We should see more.
Also, Frist made a VERY good point about not broadcasting to pregnant women not to get the vaccine... it will literally kill them not to get it. Bill is very very wrong, wantonly wrong, and aggressively ignorant about this issue.
Well, I have to admit, I am slightly flattered WP deconstructed my rather hastily written comment so thoroughly. And I will fully admit right now, that I was uninformed about all the various shades of conservatism in this country. I was basically using "Neocon" and Republican interchangably, and perhaps that was imprecise. But perhaps that isn't my problem, perhaps that is a problem with conservative branding. If you don't like being mixed in with all those various conservative groups, you shouldn't allow them to act like they speak for the entire block of conservatives as they yell and shout.
But the fact remains, there were no tea party gatherings under Bush. There was not the mass yelling and screaming about the debt (though the few Republicans who did criticize Bush did so mainly on fiscal grounds). And the only people yelling about Constitutional issues were liberals under Bush.
Why aren't the liberals shouting now? Because whatever you can say about Barack Obama, he hasn't done ANY damage to the Constitution that wasn't done by dozens of men before him. And to hear people throwing the Constitution around now just rings hollow.
Also, one last point, if you think Liberals get their arguments from any one place, that sadly proves you have little information about liberals as a group. Getting liberals to agree on anything is like herding cats, take the current government for example: Why is there any discussion of the health care reform? If this were 2002, and this were a Republican initiative, it would have been over and done with in two months. Say what you will about Republicans, they are ALWAYS... ALWAYS on point, and they take no goddamn prisoners.
I rather wish liberals had more of that in them I must say.
>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker: Yes, when people are awarded for something other than bombing innocent people
It is somewhat typical for neolibs to frame discusions in which there are only two choices of process - one being "neolib" and the other being "bomb innocent people". Is this not the didactic "either-or"-ism that neolibs claim to despise? Viewed objectively, it seems quite similar to the Bush Doctrine.
I call her MadCow because she's just as insane, extreme, and propogandist in presentation as people like Dolberman, Maher, Beck, Hannity, & D'ohReily. There's little (if any) value in the whole lot of them, journalistically speaking. But it provides me with amusement to see otherwise self-proclaimed 'sensible' people go into paroxysms of hate over a guy like BO, but turn into fawning simpletons over the drivel that MadCow trowels out. They're both pigs living in opposite sides of the same sty.
So you are suggesting moderation then WP? You are.. a moderate?
Neocons make personal attacks because they can't find enough about specific policies to disapprove of, other than cost. The problem is their posterchild, George W Bush, spent more during his eight years than any president of any party before him. Therefore their arguments ring insincere because they only became concerned about spending when it wasn't their guy spending it.
The same goes with the constitutional argument. George W Bush called the Constitution a "Goddamn piece of paper" and using signing statements subverted the document at every opportunity, including but not limited to: Torture of prisoners, warrantless wiretapping of American Citizens on a scale never before seen, and they created the Patriot Act and Department of Homeland Security which are just extentions of unconstitutional governmental powers.
They lie to their constituents when they say they'll fight to end abortion and gay marriage. Without those to run on, they'd never get elected at all. And the entire movement is primarily organized by two ENTERTAINERS (Limbaugh and Beck) who get more money when their viewership goes up.
Conservatives honestly could give a rat's ass what happens to America, they just want to be the people in charge, because it makes them feel superior... and they have one helluvan inferiority complex.
>> ^GenjiKilpatrick: The point still stands that he's failed at all his promises ( gitmo, don't ask don't tell, stopping corporate crooks).
Just because people hope he'll stop sucking and be the best president he can be doesn't guarantee he will. The Nobel Peace prize isn't some magical pill that makes foreign policy perfect and rainbow shoot out of your hands. It doesn't fix anything.
Let's not forget that the abuses at Guantanamo Bay have NOT stopped. He continues two pointless unending wars. And he endorsed the Israeli invasion which massacred 1500 Palestinians last January.
..And we should, by any reasonable measure, be proud he was awarded a - PEACE - prize???
Yay, hope! I'm sure the Iraqis with no power or phones, the Afghan refugees with no parents, and the blind burnt Palestinian children are filled with hope and international pride over this. -_-
What's with the 'FAILED' rhetoric the right is spewing lately? HOnestly, I cannot help but be surprised and sadly impressed at how well the ENTIRE CONSERVATIVE CONSTITUENCY OF THE UNITED STATES can start using the same phrasing and marketing speak on the exact same day. Seriously, have you guys all signed up for a newsletter or something?
FYI, he hasn't failed unless he is no longer president and his promises haven't materialized. The guy has been president for barely ten months. He has THREE YEARS to go. Conservatives have FAILED at keeping the trust of the American people, and they have FAILED at keeping the country on the right track, they have FAILED to end abortion despite six years having majorities in all three branches of government, in fact, conservatives have FAILED at everything they've tried.
Now I realize that last sentence may be factually incorrect, and I invite any conservative talking heads to show me any major point that conservatives have succeeded on in the last ten years.
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Big Man Japan-Strange Flavour Monster
The U.S. trying to make crazy shit like this is sort of like man trying to fly like the birds.. best we can do is a hang glider or airplane, which works, but it's nothing like what comes naturally to a bird.
Japan is crazy like a bird.
Rachel Maddow Show 10/16/09 - More AFP
Also, you all should know not to feed the trolls.
Family Guy - Peter Cat Fight
It's a dude acting like a cat. I honestly think is is impossible for Family Guy fans to not laugh at any Family Guy clip, regardless of it's content.
TYT: Limbaugh's Crazy Obama Conspiracy Theory
If Rush doesn't speak for all conservatives, then why don't the reasonable conservatives stand up against him? He is reflecting badly on the entire conservative sector. If they really didn't want him saying those things in the name of conservatism, they would stand up to him. And the more he rants like this, the more he alienates all but the most idiotic, conspiracy laden, Glenn Beck listening, dangerous fringe of their group.
So good luck getting elected like that.
Rachel Maddow - The Nobel Prize & Obama Derangement Syndrome
Just to mix it up, I'll do yours in reverse.
^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
..I'd say your opinion of the Republican party's unity is somewhat exaggerated. There are innumerable factions in the GOP. The Democrat as I see it is far more efficient about corralling in thier 'mavericks'. This whole health care debate has only gotten this far because of the extremist fringe Democrats stomping on the necks of the moderates.
So during the Bush years, when Dixie chicks were called terrorists, when anyone who had an opposing view was universally considered by the right as 'empowering' the terrorists, when people who had objections to the Patriot Act were told vote for this or 9/11 will happen again... those were not 'neck-stomping' tactics as you so racially.. er... cleverly put it?
What about when all the protests occurred when the President was going to 'indoctrinate' our children in schools? Several news outlets interviewed principals who had taken calls from concerned parents, and while they were used to dealing with upset parents, what made it so special was how all the parents used the same phrases over and over, as if they had all heard it somewhere. Hmmmm... I wonder how that might have happened?
Neolib talking points come from a variety of musicians, but the song is always the exact same song. Similarly, right wing talking points come from from way more sources than just Limbaugh & Beck but the message is almost identical.
Are you suggesting that all people who feel the way you describe throughout your comment are 'Neolibs'? Are you not the same man who had four or five different flavors of conservative just to make sure your views weren't mixed in with all the plebians? Are you at least willing to admit that sometimes people who are not 'Neolib' (which means whatever conservatives think it means I guess) might possible share some of the same opinions on things? You are being either accidentally imprecise there, or deliberately accusatory hoping to put people on the defensive. You should probably look into that.
Still, to suggest the Democrats are even half as organized and on point as Republicans does not agree with the facts at hand. Republicans were able to push through controversial policies much more effectively than the Democrats have so far... that is almost solely due to their speaking with one voice, vs the Democrats all listening to all sides and giving and taking.. thereby weakening their relative position.
Most voters are sheep who join a "big party" and they are too consumed with cheering on their 'team' than caring whether their team is a bunch of self-serving jackasses. It is very similar to the tunnel vision fanboi-ism rampant in modern US sports. "Kobe Bryant is a rapist? M'eh - who cares as long as he wins games..." Sigh.
I've been guilty of going off point myself, so I won't mock or question your use of Kobe Bryant's crimes as if it were somehow meant to be on topic. We are fellow independents... and I would have gladly voted Ron Paul in the last primaries if Kentucky would allow Independent voters to vote during primaries.. alas it was not to be. I voted for the person most likely to let me live my life unimpeded.. and ironically, it was the 'big government Democrat'.
The vast bulk of American voters are fiscal conservatives who want smaller government, balanced budgets, less spending, & lower taxes. Sadly, all we end up with are left wing liberal extremist tax & spenders like Bush & Obama.
Okay... now I know you're kidding... Bush was a left wing liberal??? And you still call yourself moderate? That has to be a joke. For what it's worth, I'm all for smaller government, it is a sad day when I have to vote Democratic to get it. Give me a viable Independent candidate or Ron Paul and I'll be all over it. But until then you can only judge the choices you are given.
There are more ways to approach 'peace' than the neolib world view accepts.
There was a lot more about your comment than I quoted, and while I disagree with your statement that Carter was a Neolib (because that terminology wasn't even in use then) I agree there are many ways to pursue peace. What I'm curious about is that obviously the way Bush did it (pissing off the world, and when they objected telling them to eat sh*t and die) didn't work, perhaps we should try something different.
Or to quote you back, "There are more ways to approach 'peace' than the neoCON world view accepts."
Oh, and the guy who's doing it won a peace prize thanks to his efforts. I'm pretty sure if you want to know if you are promoting peace, you ask other countries.. just like if you want to know if someone isn't an asshole, you don't ask him, you ask people who know him.
Wow.. this is hard WP, kudos for doing this all the time.
Bill Maher Gets Schooled On Vaccines By Bill Frist
I love hearing a rational conservative talk (especially on health care). The United States needs two healthy parties.
I'm really rooting for the conservatives to pull their act together, dump their extremists, and join the good fight in doing proper checks-and-balances with the dems so we can all act like adults again.
This was a nice step.
ABSOLUTELY. I couldn't agree more, rational and measured debate is some of the most invigorating and empowering stuff in politics. We should see more.
Also, Frist made a VERY good point about not broadcasting to pregnant women not to get the vaccine... it will literally kill them not to get it. Bill is very very wrong, wantonly wrong, and aggressively ignorant about this issue.
Rachel Maddow - The Nobel Prize & Obama Derangement Syndrome
But the fact remains, there were no tea party gatherings under Bush. There was not the mass yelling and screaming about the debt (though the few Republicans who did criticize Bush did so mainly on fiscal grounds). And the only people yelling about Constitutional issues were liberals under Bush.
Why aren't the liberals shouting now? Because whatever you can say about Barack Obama, he hasn't done ANY damage to the Constitution that wasn't done by dozens of men before him. And to hear people throwing the Constitution around now just rings hollow.
Also, one last point, if you think Liberals get their arguments from any one place, that sadly proves you have little information about liberals as a group. Getting liberals to agree on anything is like herding cats, take the current government for example: Why is there any discussion of the health care reform? If this were 2002, and this were a Republican initiative, it would have been over and done with in two months. Say what you will about Republicans, they are ALWAYS... ALWAYS on point, and they take no goddamn prisoners.
I rather wish liberals had more of that in them I must say.
Bill O'Reilly is bipolar about Obama's Peace Prize
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/05/a-far-right-assassination.html
I agree.
Rachel Maddow - The Nobel Prize & Obama Derangement Syndrome
Rachel Maddow - The Nobel Prize & Obama Derangement Syndrome
Yes, when people are awarded for something other than bombing innocent people
It is somewhat typical for neolibs to frame discusions in which there are only two choices of process - one being "neolib" and the other being "bomb innocent people". Is this not the didactic "either-or"-ism that neolibs claim to despise? Viewed objectively, it seems quite similar to the Bush Doctrine.
I call her MadCow because she's just as insane, extreme, and propogandist in presentation as people like Dolberman, Maher, Beck, Hannity, & D'ohReily. There's little (if any) value in the whole lot of them, journalistically speaking. But it provides me with amusement to see otherwise self-proclaimed 'sensible' people go into paroxysms of hate over a guy like BO, but turn into fawning simpletons over the drivel that MadCow trowels out. They're both pigs living in opposite sides of the same sty.
So you are suggesting moderation then WP? You are.. a moderate?
Rachel Maddow - The Nobel Prize & Obama Derangement Syndrome
The same goes with the constitutional argument. George W Bush called the Constitution a "Goddamn piece of paper" and using signing statements subverted the document at every opportunity, including but not limited to: Torture of prisoners, warrantless wiretapping of American Citizens on a scale never before seen, and they created the Patriot Act and Department of Homeland Security which are just extentions of unconstitutional governmental powers.
They lie to their constituents when they say they'll fight to end abortion and gay marriage. Without those to run on, they'd never get elected at all. And the entire movement is primarily organized by two ENTERTAINERS (Limbaugh and Beck) who get more money when their viewership goes up.
Conservatives honestly could give a rat's ass what happens to America, they just want to be the people in charge, because it makes them feel superior... and they have one helluvan inferiority complex.
Sculpting Demo by Philippe Faraut
>> ^Hive13:
I would love to have that talent.
Skill, not talent. Anything can be learned, it just takes time.
You are honestly suggesting talent and skill are unrelated?
Rachel Maddow - The Nobel Prize & Obama Derangement Syndrome
The point still stands that he's failed at all his promises ( gitmo, don't ask don't tell, stopping corporate crooks).
Just because people hope he'll stop sucking and be the best president he can be doesn't guarantee he will.
The Nobel Peace prize isn't some magical pill that makes foreign policy perfect and rainbow shoot out of your hands. It doesn't fix anything.
Let's not forget that the abuses at Guantanamo Bay have NOT stopped. He continues two pointless unending wars. And he endorsed the Israeli invasion which massacred 1500 Palestinians last January.
..And we should, by any reasonable measure, be proud he was awarded a - PEACE - prize???
Yay, hope! I'm sure the Iraqis with no power or phones, the Afghan refugees with no parents, and the blind burnt Palestinian children are filled with hope and international pride over this. -_-
What's with the 'FAILED' rhetoric the right is spewing lately? HOnestly, I cannot help but be surprised and sadly impressed at how well the ENTIRE CONSERVATIVE CONSTITUENCY OF THE UNITED STATES can start using the same phrasing and marketing speak on the exact same day. Seriously, have you guys all signed up for a newsletter or something?
FYI, he hasn't failed unless he is no longer president and his promises haven't materialized. The guy has been president for barely ten months. He has THREE YEARS to go. Conservatives have FAILED at keeping the trust of the American people, and they have FAILED at keeping the country on the right track, they have FAILED to end abortion despite six years having majorities in all three branches of government, in fact, conservatives have FAILED at everything they've tried.
Now I realize that last sentence may be factually incorrect, and I invite any conservative talking heads to show me any major point that conservatives have succeeded on in the last ten years.
Rachel Maddow - The Nobel Prize & Obama Derangement Syndrome
I couldn't agree more, and how long until people finally grow tired of the constant vitriol?
By any reasonable measure.
New Escape From City 17 Trailer
Jimmy Kimmel: Michael Moore on Capitalism
"Capitalism is bad, but the president of a socialist country owes me because I got drunk with him and wrote some stuff."
I thought that was pretty funny myself
Jimmy Kimmel: Michael Moore on Capitalism
Jesus Died LOL - a reaction to a gamertag
Bwahaa. Glad I don't pay for Xbox live
Why does this statement strike me the same way as someone saying "I'm glad I don't have a tv, I get so much done, and save so much money."
Why does this video make you glad you don't pay for xbox live?
Seems like random trolling to me.