If I'm going to be snubbed, then to hell with it.
posted by old_spider 1 year 6 months 1 week ago • 90 views
That's the second video I've had deleted. That's enough for me.

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written by ren  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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Yes, are you claiming a Siftsperacy? We've all suffered the agony of queue death.


written by dag  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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Did you log in with the wrong account? Maybe you had another acct you posted a self-link with.

But your Stossel video IS in the queue and halfway there.

Is it possible that you are missing the final submit page (It's like one extra step?) It looks submitted, but isn't yet. Look, you can click on your profile and click on Discarded to see all your videos (even discarded ones). If they aren't in there, then they never made it to the queue.


written by joedirt  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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I guess he's talking about this HIV video (discarded by negative votes)
http://www.videosift.com/video/HIV-Fact-or-Fiction-20min

Farhad and pyrex did him in with immediate downvotes.

I agree you should save your downvotes until they have a change to get at least 8 votes.
I would save this if I had any. It's pretty interesting pseudo-documentary on AIDS research from
the 80s (early 90s?)... Reminds me of modern Global Warming discussions.

"We're expected to believe it's cause by this 'tiny' retrovirus"


written by joedirt  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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That's the one. Negative votes for no damn reason.


written by old_spider  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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I personally think they shouldn't have downvoted here. It was a good, long documentary. Maybe the title sounded like it was inflammatory spoof or something.

It is pretty CRAPPY of Farhad to have chucked a video in 8 mins of being posted. He is sometime a little ban happy. Anyways, you can just resubmit it and ignore these two people who ruined your day.


written by joedirt  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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lol ♥ joe! you're pretty spry this am!

old spider, sounds like you've been around the web a time or two, from one little critter to another ... don't let discards bother ya ... OR negative votes! you can't please everyone all the time!


written by LadyBug  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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Listen both Pyrex and I lived in Africa and seen people die of the HIV/AIDS. I didn't chuck the video, I downvoted it, and if you are gonna let Ant have the benefit of doing such I should be allowed so as well.

As far as I know discards don't happen unless it goes -3, and sometimes even then the discard doesn't happen.



written by Farhad2000  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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just curious .... what does seeing someone having died of HIV/AIDS have to do with a downvote? granted ... i never did watch the vid, so maybe there is some relevance that i've overlooked!


written by LadyBug  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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i.e. I know HIV/AIDS is fact and not fiction. Thus I vehemently disagree with that posting.

Look I don't see the exact relevance on pinning another persons lack of understanding of how this website works on me is.

Old_Spider assumes VS/I/pyrex deleted it, when clearly he doesn't see that there is a voting and discarding process. Most of your videos die because you post them and they don't receive the votes to publish http://www.videosift.com/user.php?login=old_spider&view=discarded&listsize=full#vids




written by Farhad2000  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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I do find things like that anoying. It's happened to me. People downvoting videos because it realtes to something else, or has a stupid title or tag. YOUR VOTING ON THE VIDEO, NOTHING ELSE.


written by darksun  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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I think you people have little understanding of the HIV:FACT OR FICTION debate, in South Africa for several years the goverment has been trying to say that HIV doesn't cause AIDS.

"The United Nations special envoy for Aids in Africa has closed a major conference on the disease with a sharp critique of South Africa's government. Speaking at the end of the week-long gathering in Toronto, Canada, Stephen Lewis said South Africa promoted a "lunatic fringe" attitude to HIV/Aids. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/5265432.stm

And if you have the slightest feeling that the video is right you honestly need to reexamine your medical knowledge as HIV is a retrovirus that causes AIDS just like HTLV is a retrovirus that causes T-cell leukemia and T-cell lymphoma

As for the video as a whole it's someone's paranoid ideas when the scientific debate on HIV was still taking place, look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Gallo#Retrovirus_work. It's not because his work was wrong or anything but the result of a lab contamination.

That kind of information is WRONG and DANGEROUS. So yeah am gonna downvote it.


written by Farhad2000  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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The video isn't saying AIDS doesn't exist; rather, it's saying HIV doesn't create AIDS and the current anti-HIV treatments are actually causing AIDS. Hence the name of the video.

Reposted.


written by old_spider  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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hey!hey ... let's not resort to ugly language ... it tarnishes a debate!

you're right that HIV does not equal AIDS ... but don't muddy the waters with an ad hominem ...


written by LadyBug  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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Am sorry old_spider, but this 'stupid fuck' knows more about HIV/AIDS issues then you do.


written by Farhad2000  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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"Am sorry old_spider, but this 'stupid fuck' knows more about HIV/AIDS issues then you do."

If that's true, then that person is attempting to hide the truth from people. HIV isn't AIDS --hell, I knew that when I was a kid. It's always been described as 'the virus that causes AIDS', not 'is AIDS'.


written by old_spider  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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Why do you think I say HIV/AIDS. One causes the other, it's called causality. There is a clear scientific concensous within the entire medical community regarding that, check your own repost.

Above I clearly say "in South Africa for several years the goverment has been trying to say that HIV doesn't cause AIDS.", you know why I say South Africa? Because that's the only place left in the world where the governmental officials keep claiming that HIV doesn't cause AIDS. Much like you do.


written by Farhad2000  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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Calm down ladies.


written by darksun  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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darksun sure knows how to kick ass.


written by snaremop  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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having known people with hiv that progressed to full blown aids I would have probably down voted the video also. It's a pretty confrontational subject, and not one that I am surprised received immediate down votes.


written by James Roe  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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Old Spider, was it really necessary to draw all this attention to yourself?


written by snaremop  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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Snaremop, attention or the lack thereof by themselves do me little good. However, I for some strange damn reason prefer the attention, good or bad. Is it a failing? I dunno.

Farhad, consensus doesn't prove, nor does cause and effect. An assumption --even one with evidence-- produced through the observation of cause and effect can still be erroneous, but doubt is what's necessary to ensure the regulation of an assumption. Voting something out of view, as in this case for the second time, isn't an effective way of testing an assumption; rather, it only attempts to hide what bothers you from view. It's like burning books you don't like. It doesn't lead to better understanding, but removes the opportunity for the same.


written by old_spider  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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I would counter that voting something like this out of view is prevention of publicity for an intellectually dishonest and perhaps harmful topic. I would do the same thing to a holocaust denial video.


written by James Roe  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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Or anything else which might be quite uncomfortable for the general public. I understand that. Personally, I enjoy information that gets my dander up --it gets me to take a step back and think about it. I suppose I should follow the advice I've been given and stand off from difficult subjects and instead offer more generally acceptable things.

And now... Ubuntu is calling, my archives have been updated, so it's time to install that bad boy and make it rock.


written by old_spider  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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This isn't about something being uncomfortable, it's about something presenting a dishonest portrayal of a sensitive subject. It's the intellectual equivalent of the "global warming documentaries" put out by Exxon.


written by James Roe  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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WOOOOOOO! More contenders in this argument...


written by darksun  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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I downvoted the second attempt and I'd do it again. It's like that TERRIBLE "What the !*@# do we know?" psuedoscience crap that was on here. Misinformation and disinformation other than those in the service of parody will get my downvote every time. Another one was a "all history was invented 500 years ago" documentary posted a few weeks ago. STFU. That's not quality, that's garbage, and has no place on here.


written by djsunkid  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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James, I disagree and stand pat.


written by old_spider  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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The HIV documentary that old_spider started this whole discussion thread about, is very out dated, obviously. I don't think anyone who upvoted it did so out of ignorance, but perhaps just because we know how far we've come in HIV research. Had to start somewhere.


written by wildmanBill  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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It is interesting video in that it is OBVIOUSLY ancient and very telling comparing what we know now to what the media was saying as fact back then.

I think it is very educational. Obviously, I don't think anyone is trying to debate to cause of AIDS. It's amazing to look back and realize how little the media actually knows.

This is no different than those duck and cover gov't films.
(I do question some of old_spiders comments here.. and maybe he is trying to stir debate..)

But, jebus. Let the video sit in the queue MORE than 8 mins. You can downvote after a few days or after it has like 4 votes. That's my policy and it doesn't hurt anyone, incovienece you, or make enemies.



written by joedirt  | 1 year 6 months 1 week ago | CH
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*quality



written by joedirt  | 1 year 3 months 4 weeks ago | CH
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Gold Star member joedirt has awarded old_spider one published post for this quality Sift Talk contribution.


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