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Barack Obama on Renewal of Patriot Act
posted by blankfist 1 month 2 weeks ago • 505 views
Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) voted YES on March 1, 2006, on reauthorizing the Patriot Act. Obama voted NO on December 16, 2005, on the Motion for Cloture of PATRIOT Act (HR 3199).

It looks like the lesser of two evils is still evil.

Source:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Barack_Obama:_U.S._presidential_election%2C_2008/On_renewal_of_the_Patriot_Act

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Not voting for the Patriot Act is akin to political suicide. Its simply too easy to draw a talking point that Obama does not care for American safety.


written by Farhad2000  | 1 month 2 weeks ago | CH
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^Agreed. A wise man once said, "Anyone that's against the war is gay." And no one wants to be gay. Except for gay people maybe. I'm not gay though. Not that there's anything wrong with that.


written by littledragon_79  | 1 month 2 weeks ago | CH
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>> ^Farhad2000:
Not voting for the Patriot Act is akin to political suicide. Its simply too easy to draw a talking point that Obama does not care for American safety.


You're saying we should not hold people accountable for their voting record? Ron Paul didn't support the Patriot Act, and I doubt you can say his career was stumped from that choice.




written by blankfist  | 1 month 2 weeks ago | CH
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>> ^blankfist:
>> ^Farhad2000:
Not voting for the Patriot Act is akin to political suicide. Its simply too easy to draw a talking point that Obama does not care for American safety.


You're saying we should not hold people accountable for their voting record? Ron Paul didn't support the Patriot Act, and I doubt you can say his career was stumped from that choice.


Ron Paul has the reputation for doing whatever he feels like, but Obama has not had that privilege yet. He would have been crucified.







written by Fjnbk  | 1 month 2 weeks ago | CH
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how can you be an apologist for a politician forsaking his oath to uphold the constitution, and violating basic human rights, in order to gain political favor?

politicians are sworn to uphold the rule of law, not the rule of the majority.


written by imstellar28  | 1 month 2 weeks ago | CH
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Fascism-------McCain------Obama---------------What I would like

One is nearer the good part, thus he would get my vote.
I would like to think that he could do something about it when he is sworn in, but in any case he is better that the alternative.


written by gwiz665  | 1 month 2 weeks ago | CH
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"It looks like the lesser of two evils is still evil."

But less evil..


written by gwiz665  | 1 month 2 weeks ago | CH
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Ron Paul may be a saint, but he's not going to be President.

I don't like it, but there's nothing anybody can do. Change in politics is akin to Sisyphus rolling the rock up a hill.


written by thinker247  | 1 month 2 weeks ago | CH
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Come on guys.

Dismantling what has been put in place over the last 8 years is going to take decades. Thats why it was such a shame it happened in the first place.

The American people are just as guilt for falling behind war fever and panic, the politicians only reacted to the nation as a whole. Which is funny because the population as a whole finds it so easy to blame the people they put into power.

If any terrorist attack happened however minor, questions would be raised about whether the Patriot Act could have prevented it.


written by Farhad2000  | 1 month 2 weeks ago | CH
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From the sourcewatch page you link, they have a link to the floor statement Obama made before the vote.

Here's a few choice pieces of that statement:

We all agreed that we needed legislation to make it harder for suspected terrorists to go undetected in this country. Americans everywhere wanted that.

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Now, at times this issue has tended to degenerate into an "either-or" type of debate. Either we protect our people from terror or we protect our most cherished principles. But that is a false choice. It asks too little of us and assumes too little about America.

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Let me be clear: this compromise is not as good as the Senate version of the bill, nor is it as good as the SAFE Act that I have cosponsored. I suspect the vast majority of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle feel the same way. But, it's still better than what the House originally proposed.

This compromise does modestly improve the PATRIOT Act by strengthening civil liberties protections without sacrificing the tools that law enforcement needs to keep us safe. In this compromise:


* We strengthened judicial review of both National Security Letters, the administrative subpoenas used by the FBI, and Section 215 orders, which can be used to obtain medical, financial and other personal records.

* We established hard time limits on sneak-and-peak searches and limits on roving wiretaps.

* We protected most libraries from being subject to National Security Letters.

* We preserved an individual's right to seek counsel and hire an attorney without fearing the FBI's wrath.

* And we allowed judicial review of the gag orders that accompany Section 215 searches.

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So, I will be supporting the Patriot Act compromise. But I urge my colleagues to continue working on ways to improve the civil liberties protections in the Patriot Act after it is reauthorized.


It appears that proponents of 3rd party candidates can smear and distort their opponents' positions with just as much disregard for the truth as Republicans.

If you care about civil liberties vote for Obama. A 3rd party will not win the Presidency this year, and "sending a message" by voting 3rd party will fall on deaf ears within the major parties, and in the public at large.

It's time to stop looking for your ideal candidate, and make a choice to either support a candidate who got his degree in Constitutional Law or help elect someone who thinks disagreement with the government is unpatriotic.


written by NetRunner  | 1 month 1 week ago | CH
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Hussein boy smokes pot and thinks if we're friendly then all the mean people in the world will go away! Shoot, let's dismantle the military. We can use all that tax money to educate on race relations, increase goverment control of everything so that it can't be screwed up, and increase welfare! AWESOMENESS


written by CaptainPlanet420  | 1 month 1 week ago | CH
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^that statement seems to be an unfounded generalization...


written by rottenseed  | 1 month 1 week ago | CH
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