Comments for "Darwins 150 yr old prediction finally comes true" Video at VideoSift.com

By Raigen

Raigen (http://www.videosift.com/member/Raigen) — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:57:33 -0700

Prophecy is a lost art.

However the predictive power of science never will be.

By gargoyle

gargoyle (http://www.videosift.com/member/gargoyle) — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:25:43 -0700

thrilling!

By legacy0100

legacy0100 (http://www.videosift.com/member/legacy0100) — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:01:22 -0700

LOL I originally dreamed of being a some sort of ecologist or scientist until I found out how tough you gotta be mentally and physically lol

6 months in a mosquito filled tropics without a decent shower or a bed, just to record some gerbil's nightly mating rituals. I admit it, I'm way too soft and pampered to be able to endure such things.

By Trancecoach

Trancecoach (http://www.videosift.com/member/Trancecoach) — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:22:10 -0700

Heh, anyone else remember Christopher Plummer's character in the film, "Adaptation," talking about this discovery in the film?

By honkeytonk73

honkeytonk73 (http://www.videosift.com/member/honkeytonk73) — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:02:40 -0700

Darwin was WRONG! The bearded burlap sack wearing magic-man comes down from cloud-in-the-sky la-la-land and uses his 12" tongue to get at the nectar. It is obvious is it not?

By rottenseed

rottenseed (http://rottenseed.videosift.com) — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:40:59 -0700

Hail the Gene Simmons moth!!!

By rembar

rembar (http://www.videosift.com/member/rembar) — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:19:15 -0700

Food for thought from PZ Myers, with a healthy dose of criticism and contextual information.

Specifically, the interesting point to be made is that Darwin didn't simply predict that the length of the insect tongues would MATCH the orchid tubes, but rather that the orchids would be selected for longer tubes each generation (because the insects, now with slightly shorter tubes, would be forced to press up against the flower to get the nectar and thus would receive pollen all over their bodies that would then be spread by the insects), and the insects would be selected for longer tongues in order to reach across the ever-increasing distance.

It's somewhat of an arms race, in that the orchids benefit by the insects having to struggle to reach the nectar, and the insects benefit by having longer proboscises to not have to struggle to reach the nectar, leading to the development of very long tubes and tongues.

By Fade

Fade (http://www.videosift.com/member/Fade) — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:15:48 -0700

I don't get what you're saying there rembar. Seems like faulty logic to me, or you've left a line out or something.

edit: no wait I've figured it out. Makes sense now. Sorry I doubted you.

By sl666

sl666 (http://www.videosift.com/member/sl666) — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:19:42 -0700

Moth comes in low, out of the rising sun, about a mile out, turns on the tongue music.

By DrPawn

DrPawn (http://www.videosift.com/member/DrPawn) — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:22:20 -0700

This video explains why I have a huge weiner.

By jwray

jwray (http://jwray.videosift.com) — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:14:44 -0700

inconceivable!
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

By RhesusMonk

RhesusMonk (http://www.videosift.com/member/RhesusMonk) — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:52:12 -0700

>> ^rembar:
Food for thought from PZ Myers, with a healthy dose of criticism and contextual information.

Specifically, the interesting point to be made is that Darwin didn't simply predict that the length of the insect tongues would MATCH the orchid tubes, but rather that the orchids would be selected for longer tubes each generation (because the insects, now with slightly shorter tubes, would be forced to press up against the flower to get the nectar and thus would receive pollen all over their bodies that would then be spread by the insects), and the insects would be selected for longer tongues in order to reach across the ever-increasing distance.

It's somewhat of an arms race, in that the orchids benefit by the insects having to struggle to reach the nectar, and the insects benefit by having longer proboscises to not have to struggle to reach the nectar, leading to the development of very long tubes and tongues.

This arms race is termed the Red Queen effect after the race the eponymous character in Through the Looking Glass holds in which "it takes all the running you can do to keep in the same place." God, I love evolutionary science/scientists (you see what I did there, with the God and the evolution? funny stuff, huh?)

By bigbikeman

bigbikeman (http://www.videosift.com/member/bigbikeman) — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:20:32 -0700

Very cool. Where's the eia tag? harhar

By mkknyr

mkknyr (http://www.videosift.com/member/mkknyr) — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:24:46 -0700

>> ^Trancecoach:
Heh, anyone else remember Christopher Plummer's character in the film, "Adaptation," talking about this discovery in the film?

No, I don't remember Christopher Plummer having a character in Adaptation.

By Pooterius

Pooterius (http://www.videosift.com/member/Pooterius) — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:50:11 -0700

And that truly was a beautiful piece of nature in action he recorded. It looks like it was in slow-mo, yes?

Also, it seemed a bit put on that the scientist had to sit around in the jungle getting mosquito bites all night long rather than just pressing record, or at least putting up a mosquito net.

By wazant

wazant (http://www.videosift.com/member/wazant) — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:11:20 -0700

And for those keeping score, intelligent design predicts... nothing.