Comments for "Creepy Dutch TV Host- Paedophile or no?" Video at VideoSift.com

By BoneyD

BoneyD (http://www.videosift.com/member/BoneyD) — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:01:19 -0700

Umm... yeah...

I don't know how else to take that...

Translation anyone? Please??

By Eklek

Eklek (http://eklek.videosift.com) — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:31:04 -0700

This is an old clip from Paul de Leeuw, a well-known Dutch TV/radio show host and singer, that recently appeared online with a misplaced "creepy paedophile" tag (so I would advice to remove it). The boy is Keesje Groenteman, family of Hanneke Groenteman - a befriended journalist.

By alien_concept

alien_concept (http://www.videosift.com/member/alien_concept) — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:51:39 -0700

Fucking hell, what in christs name was this ever okayed for the viewing public. Yeah right so the father of the kid is friends with this creep. Probably in it together. Ok even if he isn't a paedo, this is inappropriate on every single level. Really fucking dark. Gah

By alien_concept

alien_concept (http://www.videosift.com/member/alien_concept) — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:51:59 -0700

i can't do this but it needs a dark tag immediately

By alien_concept

alien_concept (http://www.videosift.com/member/alien_concept) — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:06:31 -0700

>> ^Eklek:
This is an old clip from Paul de Leeuw, a well-known Dutch TV/radio show host and singer, that recently appeared online with a misplaced "creepy paedophile" tag (so I would advice to remove it). The boy is Keesje Groenteman, family of Hanneke Groenteman - a befriended journalist.

Ok, i've had to come back to this again, i'm seriously disturbed as to how you can defend this? This is not ok, and to suggest removing the paedo tag? Even if this is acceptable within the family to be so overtly sexual with the child, it's irresponsible to the extreme to air it on television. What message do you think it sends out? Imagine the paedophiles watching it. Ugh

By therealblankman

therealblankman (http://www.videosift.com/member/therealblankman) — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:39:08 -0700

In the rush to judgement I think everyone is missing the big picture here- this kid is a terrible singer. How did he ever make it onto national TV?

By Eklek

Eklek (http://eklek.videosift.com) — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:29:09 -0700

I wouldn't say I "defend" this clip. The intention of my comment was to give necessary context to this controversial (ambiguous) performance, which indeed has not much to do with music. The qualification of Paul de Leeuw as "creepy paedophile" does obscure this context and pushes the discussion into one direction.
>> ^alien_concept:
>> ^Eklek:
This is an old clip from Paul de Leeuw, a well-known Dutch TV/radio show host and singer, that recently appeared online with a misplaced "creepy paedophile" tag (so I would advice to remove it). The boy is Keesje Groenteman, family of Hanneke Groenteman - a befriended journalist.

Ok, i've had to come back to this again, i'm seriously disturbed as to how you can defend this? This is not ok, and to suggest removing the paedo tag? Even if this is acceptable within the family to be so overtly sexual with the child, it's irresponsible to the extreme to air it on television. What message do you think it sends out? Imagine the paedophiles watching it. Ugh

By alien_concept

alien_concept (http://www.videosift.com/member/alien_concept) — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:36:54 -0700

I think there is only one direction to push it, i'm certainly not one for being over dramatic. I see your point, but at the end of the day, the title of the video is relevant. No-one is saying he is a paedophile. But he is certainly making himself look like he could be, I don't think anyone could argue with that.

By siftbot

siftbot (http://www.videosift.com/member/siftbot) — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 00:53:01 -0700

Moving this video to therealblankman's personal queue. It failed to receive enough votes to get sifted up to the front page within 3 days.

By Eklek

Eklek (http://eklek.videosift.com) — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:18:57 -0700

Well, there's good and bad in everything.
I agree the title in relevant in reflecting a point of view that to some degree is valid. I would also argue the clip is referring to paedophilia, no question about it.

This discussion also reminds me of
Eminem (Without me)

Now this looks like a job for me
So everybody just follow me
Cuz we need a little controversy,
Cuz it feels so empty without me

Yet, indeed, sometimes controversy can be too big..

>> ^alien_concept:
I think there is only one direction to push it, i'm certainly not one for being over dramatic. I see your point, but at the end of the day, the title of the video is relevant. No-one is saying he is a paedophile. But he is certainly making himself look like he could be, I don't think anyone could argue with that.

By alien_concept

alien_concept (http://www.videosift.com/member/alien_concept) — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:38:48 -0700

Well i'd love you to point out the good thing about this vid, cos clearly i'm missing something here >> ^Eklek:
Well, there's good and bad in everything.
I agree the title in relevant in reflecting a point of view that to some degree is valid. I would also argue the clip is referring to paedophilia, no question about it.

This discussion also reminds me of
Eminem (Without me)

Now this looks like a job for me
So everybody just follow me
Cuz we need a little controversy,
Cuz it feels so empty without me

Yet, indeed, sometimes controversy can be too big..

By Eklek

Eklek (http://eklek.videosift.com) — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:57:33 -0700

^Well, imagine a world without people looking for controversy or being controversial..that would be rather "empty", as Eminem said.

By evil_disco_man

evil_disco_man (http://www.videosift.com/member/evil_disco_man) — Thu, 01 May 2008 15:47:52 -0700

Looking for controversy? He's literally feeling up a little boy in public... on public fucking television nonetheless. alien_concept is not being a drama queen, so step off your high horse. This video is outright despicable and the guy should have his balls cut off.

By eric3579

eric3579 (http://eric3579.videosift.com) — Thu, 01 May 2008 17:25:32 -0700

Anyway you slice it ,it is just wrong.

By Eklek

Eklek (http://eklek.videosift.com) — Fri, 02 May 2008 03:06:50 -0700

@evil_disco_man
Thanks for your comment, appreciate it.
I also said "being controversial" (not only looking for).
We don't live in a clear cut world, but an ambiguous one. I'm not as heavily opiniated on this clip but I can say if I would have been the TV station programmer I would not have aired this (e.g. I didn't vote for/against this clip, but the discussion about it is interesting so I think I would've aired it in context of a debate on paedophilia, a practice I condemn as does the law but this doesn't mean there shouldn't be a debate about the issue). But as there's a countless variety of channels these days, there a big chance such a clip is being broadcasted, especially in a more liberal media landscape - which I think is filling up the "emptiness" that would result from a non-controversial world: people seem to have an innate need for controversy, but what kind of controversy is variable, as what is too or not controversial/liberal is different for everyone. One can not please everybody's opinion.
Excuse me if I sound like I'm on a high horse but I think it's important to write out the complexity of this case..
Regarding Paul de Leeuw's balls, I'm against corporal punishment, especially without a fair trial.

By alien_concept

alien_concept (http://www.videosift.com/member/alien_concept) — Fri, 02 May 2008 10:09:55 -0700

Well eklek, what would you like me to say? You want a comment, ok. You've come back to this with a fresh opinion, that's fine. You don't think it warrants people being angry about it, also your call. But this sort of thing genuinely affects peoples lives, it happens every day to children on every street, so I think anyone is well within their rights to have an opinion on it without being accused of being controversial or "needing controversy" in their lives. Your opinion on this is as valid as anyone elses, but I stress that something like this, whether there is proof that he is a paedophile or not, can be upsetting and touch nerves for others. It's all very well playing devils advocate, but I honestly don't think you know where you're going with all of your comments. You have one thing going for you, you stick to your guns. You carry on with that and so shall I. Thanks for your time

By Eklek

Eklek (http://eklek.videosift.com) — Fri, 02 May 2008 13:12:28 -0700

Hi alien_concept, thanks for your comment! To some degree I also don't know where I'm going with my comments, but (in)certainty is what drives us:)

I'm not just playing devil's advocate - I also wrote down I personally would consider this clip too controversial (& not air it) as I also think this is touching the nerves of people, especially victims. This is to some degree an angry/emotional response too.

I'd rather not be steering towards an entrenched debate, but instead have a discussion that reflects both rational and emotional responses to this clip.

BTW
Have you seen this case in Ghana that I posted?
http://www.videosift.com/video/Trokosi-women-talking-about-their-sex-slave-experiences

By kulpims

kulpims (http://www.videosift.com/member/kulpims) — Thu, 08 May 2008 01:26:02 -0700

strangest video i've seen lately

By therealblankman

therealblankman (http://www.videosift.com/member/therealblankman) — Sat, 17 May 2008 00:15:26 -0700

This is worth keeping for posterity. *beg'er up.

By siftbot

siftbot (http://www.videosift.com/member/siftbot) — Sat, 17 May 2008 00:15:26 -0700

Sending this video to Beggar's Canyon to plea for a little attention - beg requested by original submitter therealblankman.

By xxovercastxx

xxovercastxx (http://www.videosift.com/member/xxovercastxx) — Sat, 17 May 2008 21:30:24 -0700

I'm downvoting to protect my fellow sifters.

In fact, I think I deserve a star point for the personal sacrifice I've just made.

By Farhad2000

Farhad2000 (http://farhad.videosift.com) — Sat, 17 May 2008 22:34:57 -0700

Japanese WTF has been outWTFed by the Dutch WTF.

By Issykitty

Issykitty (http://issykitty.videosift.com) — Mon, 19 May 2008 08:16:27 -0700

*terrible! * Horrorshow

By siftbot

siftbot (http://www.videosift.com/member/siftbot) — Mon, 19 May 2008 08:16:27 -0700

Adding video to channels (Terrible) - requested by Issykitty.

By laura

laura (http://laura.videosift.com) — Mon, 19 May 2008 22:09:49 -0700

ok, so I thought to myself that maybe I was missing something, that they could have been joking around. Then I immediately thought, hmmmm... is it socially acceptable in Holland to joke around sexually with a child? I have to say that even if it was, and even if the person was trying to cause controversy, I am not okay with it and I don't think it should be saved for posterity either. Normally I would, but not with something like this. It's as no no as a snuff to me, baby...

By boteci

boteci (http://www.videosift.com/member/boteci) — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 09:54:27 -0700

Are you all stupid??? OMG, this was from a tv show, when Paul told the audience, that Kees(je) and he had so much fun doing a brilliant joke in one of his earlyer shows!!! That was so brilliant, even Gordon (a Dutch singer) had no idea what was going on.... (watch the 1st show, surch for Paul, Gordon and Keesje) People who think that Paul is doing bad things with children, are not thinking right! Paul would never do that!!! He is a comedian, nr 1 in the Netherlands:-)

By quantumushroom

quantumushroom (http://www.videosift.com/member/quantumushroom) — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:27:24 -0700

He should be killed.