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Programmer, poet, progressive, pot advocate, pugnacious liberal.
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Remember No Probe was made into WTC7:
A March 2002 hearing transcript revealed that, just two month before publishing its final report the BPAT still had not been able to see blueprints for WTC 7 or the Twin Towers since they lacked subpoena power.
Reading: The End of the Affair - Graham Greene; Mother Night - Vonnegut; Dog Soldiers - Robert Stone; Moby Dick - Melville.
Remember No Probe was made into WTC7:
A March 2002 hearing transcript revealed that, just two month before publishing its final report the BPAT still had not been able to see blueprints for WTC 7 or the Twin Towers since they lacked subpoena power.
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The Rogue Poet's list of EVIDENCE 911 was an inside job.
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In reply to this comment by rougy:
1. TheSofaKing stands by the NIST report.
2. TheSofaKing agrees that the NIST was not in charge of the FEMA investigation.
3. TheSofaKing agrees that the NIST sent one (1) person to the disaster sites as part of the FEMA investigation and they inspected some physical evidence there.
4. TheSofaKing has not read the NIST report on the WTC collapses in its entirety.
5. TheSofaKing does not think the NSF and the ASCE were original investigative teams even though they responded within hours of the collapses and before FEMA and the BPAT teams were formed.
According to the document:
"Early confusion over who was in charge of the site and the lack of authority of investigators to impound pieces of steel for examination before they were recycled led to the loss of important pieces of evidence that were destroyed early during the search and rescue effort. In addition, a delay in the deployment of FEMA’s BPAT team may have compounded the lack of access to valuable data and artifacts."
Do you agree with that?
Or is that another bit of documented reality that you'll choose to ignore?
In reply to this comment by rougy:
This is a quote from section two, paragraph three of the document from the House Committee on Science:
Researchers also began to respond immediately. Among the first were National Science Foundation (NSF)-funded social scientists and engineers who arrived at the WTC site within 48 to 72 hours after the tragedy to begin collecting data. Similarly, the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) formed a Disaster Response Team within hours of the first plane strike.
That does not constitute an "original investigative team" to you?
They were there before the NIST, weren't they?
They were there before FEMA, weren't they?
"A variety of other engineering researchers and professionals, including members of the Structural Engineering Association of New York, also engaged in the monumental task of collecting data that could lead to a better understanding of the collapse of the buildings ..."
In reply to this comment by rougy:
1. TheSofaKing stands by the NIST report.
2. TheSofaKing agrees that the NIST was not in charge of the FEMA investigation.
3. TheSofaKing agrees that the NIST sent one (1) person to the disaster sites as part of the FEMA investigation and they inspected some physical evidence there.
4. TheSofaKing has not read the NIST report on the WTC collapses in its entirety.
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See revisions to #2 and #3 above.
The original investigative team(s) were not FEMA, but rather the members of the "Society of Civil Engineers" and the "National Science Foundation" according to this document by the House Committee on Science.
Do you agree with that? Is that correct?
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I'll offer you a small insight into the stupidity of the accusation though. I spent four and a half years locked up before I was 15 years old, rougy, two rounds of over 30 days in an isolation cell. Why? For skipping school to avoid a gang problem, to some brain dead social worker that made me uncontrollable so they sent me to live with them till the fucking system thought I was better. Yeah, I just love authority. Idiot. I do what I do and know as much about things as I do for a reason, I lived it first.
Sad thing is I do think you're trying to do the right thing, you just can't see that your methods hurt your own cause. You insult those who would half agree with you because they aren't in lockstep then wonder why you can't get anyone to agree with you at all, look for enemies among what should be natural friends.
Whatever conclusion you come to you're going to have to come to on your own. Later.
In reply to this comment by rougy:
It's for everyone who still insists that those buildings did not fall due to controlled demolitions.
I'd appreciate it if you would keep comments like this to the boards themselves.
In reply to this comment by drattus:
One question before I lose my temper here. You did NOT aim that "some people are too afraid to believe their eyes when authority tells them otherwise" bullshit at ME, did you?
In reply to this comment by rougy:
I guess some people are too afraid to believe their eyes when authority tells them otherwise.
There was a cover up of what happened on 9/11 from the very top.
For the buildings to collapse that fast, the lower floors would have to have the resistive factor of thin air.
Bush blocked the 9/11 investigation at every turn, and evidence was destroyed almost immediately.
Most of the "experts" who "debunk" conspiracy theories are basically professionals who are too afraid of losing their jobs or being attacked if they openly raise questions. They pull numbers out of their butts to justify the "official" explanation which was handed to them by the Bush administration.
The NYFD was placed under gag order.
If it's so obvious what happened, why was there such a great effort to hide everything?
They didn't have to destroy that steel so quickly.
(and there really were WMDs in Iraq, and Bush didn't steal Florida in 2000, and he didn't steal Ohio in 2004, and water-boarding isn't torture, and Dick Cheney is an honest man)
In reply to this comment by rougy:
I guess some people are too afraid to believe their eyes when authority tells them otherwise.
There was a cover up of what happened on 9/11 from the very top.
For the buildings to collapse that fast, the lower floors would have to have the resistive factor of thin air.
Bush blocked the 9/11 investigation at every turn, and evidence was destroyed almost immediately.
Most of the "experts" who "debunk" conspiracy theories are basically professionals who are too afraid of losing their jobs or being attacked if they openly raise questions. They pull numbers out of their butts to justify the "official" explanation which was handed to them by the Bush administration.
The NYFD was placed under gag order.
If it's so obvious what happened, why was there such a great effort to hide everything?
They didn't have to destroy that steel so quickly.
(and there really were WMDs in Iraq, and Bush didn't steal Florida in 2000, and he didn't steal Ohio in 2004, and water-boarding isn't torture, and Dick Cheney is an honest man)
As for the full NIST report, no...I have not read it in it's entirety . I doubt anyone has. I have read significant portions of it depending on what aspects of the investigation I was interested in at the time.
In reply to this comment by rougy:
1. TheSofaKing stands by the NIST report.
2. TheSofaKing agrees that the NIST was not a part of the original investigation.
3. TheSofaKing agrees that the NIST did not go to the disaster sites and inspect the physical evidence there.
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Have you read the NIST Report that you referenced in its entirety?
From NIST website
"FEMA, which had launched its Building Performance Study in early October 2001, sent a team of experts to review the steel at the WTC site and the salvage yards. These experts, including one from NIST, identified pieces of steel of potential interest to a follow-on investigation"
In reply to this comment by rougy:
1. TheSofaKing Stands by the NIST report.
2. TheSofaKing agrees that the NIST was not a part of the original investigation.
The NIST did not go to the disaster sites and inspect the physical evidence there. They did not personally recover any of the physical evidence that they used in their report. The evidence was given to them by Fema or other entities. Correct?
Once commissioned to do so , the NIST produced a mind bogglingly thorough report on WTC 1 & 2. In paper form it sits about 3 feet high.
http://wtc.nist.gov/reports_october05.htm
The investigation and subsequent report on WTC 7 was separated from the first report in order to get it out faster. That is why the one I linked is preliminary, with the full report due out in early 2008.
In reply to this comment by rougy:
1. TheSofaKing Stands by the NIST report.
The NIST was not part of the original investigation into the collapse of the towers 1, 2, or 7. Correct?
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http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1
Popular Mechanics does probably the best job I've seen of allowing some of the "experts" whose quotes have been used as fodder for conspiracy theorists to respond and most of them do not believe in any conspiracy, but rather their comments were misconstrued by people with agendas.
In reply to this comment by rougy:
You're a total fucking asshole and an abuser by nature.
This is a link to one of your "proofs" that WTC7 fell due to the fires and structural damage.
Part IIC - WTC 7 Collapse - April 5, 2005
You stand by this document, is that correct?
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